SE why??

[Worm]

Took me about 2-3 weeks to get all my Atma. Then another 2-3 weeks farming myth and completing books. Frustrating? Yes. Was it worth it? To me, yes. I can proudly wield my glowy bow knowing I put the effort into it.

You know I came back after a little break and I think the most irritating thing with the myth farm is just composition. Hey I'm a monk, my options are get Myth slower or level another class. I can't really blame people for not wanting 2 to 4 minutes added on to their run from bringing a non BLM/BRD/SMN.

I think honestly there is a really good point about AOE damage and dungeon design wrapped up in this myth farm that EVERYONE is missing. There is a fundamental error in design here that really makes this frustrating for a few classes. You had the same thing happening in WoW when content wasn't made challenging enough. People simply did it as fast as possible, classes that could not contribute to that speed were left in the dust.

[Moqi]

Completing a book every 3 days is hardly "being left in the dust"...

[JonBigwood]

It is NOT working for a weapon that's an issue, it's the system it is based on

I think most of us agree, doing FATEs and getting nothing is discouraging.

I decided to take it easy, cap the soldiery tomes weekly, level alt classes, do FATEs while I queue, and try to not obsess with FATEs. It takes longer, yes, but you do other things in the meantime. I did like that, and maybe 1 week with no atmas, 2 atmas in 1 day, another week and no atmas, etc. You may well have bad luck all the time for a long time. 3 atmas in one week is quite good, unless you spend a lot of hours a day. At this pace you'll have the atma weapon in 4 weeks. BUT...it may be much better or worse.

The books are better in a way, since you know what work you have to do and how much it will take. BUT you get really bored of farming myth tomes. I don't know how much time it took me, but a bit under a week for each book x 9 books, between 7 and 8 weeks. Not doing anything else but farming myth tomes and fulfilling the books. While I farmed atmas I did other things since I couldn't stand farming more atmas, lol. But you farm myths and complete the books because you know you will advance. What is better?

When you reach the Animus (just arrived) then you have to farm another 1.500 myth tomes for the scroll!!!

At least now, if you just do your expert roulette daily you get 1 map and hopefully 1 alexandrite daily if you don't die doing the map, 75 days. You want things quick? Then you can farm myth and buy mysterious maps (I can't hear speaking about that right now, lol) or farm FATEs to see if an Alexandrite drops, (humm, not my favourite plate ;-). I think I may have time to do other things if I just do the Expert Roulette daily and the map and forget about farming myth tomes or FATEs. It takes time? Let's be it.

Someone who is in a hurry can pay a lot of myth tomes for a mysterious map (800 I think) or farm fates like for the atma and see if an alexandrite drops (I tried, no drops in this first day.) I think people who are in a hurry are made to pay it dearly. I don't think it is worth it for me.

Edit: As you see, I opted for not repeating Brayflox HM speed runs ad nauseam. I have tried SR and sometimes they have worked, even duty roulettes Speed Runs work fine with the right group, but finding a group that works well with the Party Finder is not that easy. I don't find it's to my liking to practice with a group till it works, changing members, etc., then next day start looking for a new group and start practicing again.

Making a static group may be wonderful, although farming with a lot of repetition. But if you do roulettes you also repeat content, at least the Main Story Roulette has only 2 varieties. Making it last as less as possible is also a good sensation. Anyway 1.500 tomes are 30 Speed Runs. Also several days of roulettes...

Maybe farming 800 tomes for a mysterious map doing Brayflox HM 2 bosses in a super SR is not as horrible as it seems to me, I don't know. This would be 16 Brayflox HM 2 bosses for 1 mysterious map, and you can co-operate with the maps in 2 groups of 2 players. With a static it doesn't look that bad. Especially compared with "n" FATEs for the alexandrite.

Even then, there is a lot of new content coming in next patch so we can as well obtain the upgrades as we also do the new content.

[Worm]

Completing a book every 3 days is hardly "being left in the dust"...

First of all this is a comment in reference to what happened in WoW, certain classes getting less popular because they can't AOE Nuke being left in the dust. It's something that happens when dungeons get too easy to AOE. It also promotes a real crappy style of play in my opinion.

Though getting 50 Myth about every 5 minutes while compared to doing what 3 or 4 roulette? It's certainly a disparity. It's irritating to see people who desperately want more dungeon farm badge grinds. I guess if the devs are listening to you I really will have to level a BLM, tank, or healer simply to get my relic on my DPS charcter.

[Moqi]

I guess if the devs are listening to you I really will have to level a BLM, tank, or healer simply to get my relic on my DPS charcter.

If you want it in a couple of days, yes - otherwise the disparity is non existent. You can just do roulette and do a book every 3 days, which is hardly being left in the dust, hence my comment. I know he was referencing WoW but nothing of the sort is happening here, so there's no comparison to be made. There are other ways to get myth besides speedrunning Brayflox, and they are perfectly viable for any class, unless you're in a hurry. If you really want it now and are willing to spend hours farming the same dungeon... you can put in a little more extra effort and do it with the most desired class.

[Kabooa]

A lazy and uninteresting system isn't made by better by accessibility.

[Valmar]

two 20 hour sessions of Straight Fate farming, right when the patch released, amounting to just about 1000 Fates.

Then

about a Week and a half to finish the books.

I suspect some time in 2.35 or 2.4 SE will increase the drop rates for Atma Stones.

Please Look Forward to It!

[JonBigwood]

If you really want it now and are willing to spend hours farming the same dungeon... you can put in a little more extra effort and do it with the most desired class.

Changing class is not an option, you would obtain the upgrade for another job's weapon.

[JonBigwood]

I suspect some time in 2.35 or 2.4 SE will increase the drop rates for Atma Stones.

Please Look Forward to It!

Of course Atmas will drop easier, and later also Alexandrites, who also drop with FATEs, but not very soon, I suppose.

People have made a lot of effort for their Animus weapons, and also for their End game drop weapons, just because they are better than the Animus.

[Divine_Intervention]

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Yep, your entire post was precisely my point. I started off by using the system you do/did, just doing it now and then as i was near one, that yielded a little. Eventually though, i'm pretty much full 90/100 gear, trying to down extremes and t5, which is difficult to find a group for, so this is how i pass my time xD