Please remove the lockout for leaving instances.

[KenzieLynch]

And...there isn't too many. If there was "too many" it wouldn't be a game anymore. There are restrictions in place for a lot of things, and it's for one reason: human nature. SE knows how people can be, so they try to cut down on negative behavior as best they can. Sometimes we don't like their methods, but they put such things in place to keep a balance of sorts.

Well, yeah, obviously SE has the best interests of the community when implementing these methods. If you read my original post in full though, you will say I make the observation that the now dated method of blanket lockouts doesn't line up with SE's more recent stance to not get involved in party politics and such.

Trying to 'cut down on negative behaviour', as you put it, by forcing someone to remain in a dungeon when they no longer want to be (for whatever reason) is not the most effective method. Allowing them to leave and the party to get a replacement will usually yield better results.

[Delsus]

A lot of times, you can actually. Although I did have trials / primals in mind when I typed that.

Again if you wipe you attempt to talk them through, if you are wiping within 30 seconds you probably have people new to the trial, take the time to talk them through the fight and anyone that wants to learn will at least improve progress and start to win depending on the trial. You would have to be at least 5 minutes into any fight to find out who isn't willing to learn fights. If you aren't willing to help newer players, then that's your problem.

[Skivvy]

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You are giving this community way too much credit. This would be abused in so many situations, it's not even funny. Get your drop from a dungeon? *drop*. Don't like PS (or any random dungeon) that roulette gives you? *drop*. Progressing too slowly? *drop*.

If you are having an issue with a party, then just suck it up, and eat the 30 minutes. Maybe even ask the party to boot you. Sometimes people will be kind, and if you're just a DPS, then even more likely. There is plenty you can do in that little amount of time while you wait.

I just love how you're willing to purposefully troll the party (by just sitting down and refusing to help) to get your way. Grow up.

[Vahlnir]

Well, yeah, obviously SE has the best interests of the community when implementing these methods. If you read my original post in full though, you will say I make the observation that the now dated method of blanket lockouts doesn't line up with their more recent stance to not get involved in party politics and such.

Oh, I read it. But there's a difference here. Initially, their vote to kick feature was a bit too vague as to what people can be kicked/can kick others for. So they made their stance on this known by pretty much saying "some people need to sort this crap with cutscenes and such out on their own, we have bigger fish to fry." The lockout restrictions and vote to kick options are 2 completely separate issues, which means...2 different stances.

[KenzieLynch]

Again if you wipe you attempt to talk them through, if you are wiping within 30 seconds you probably have people new to the trial, take the time to talk them through the fight and anyone that wants to learn will at least improve progress and start to win depending on the trial. You would have to be at least 5 minutes into any fight to find out who isn't willing to learn fights. If you aren't willing to help newer players, then that's your problem.

Now, lets be clear, when I said I could decide a fate of a party within 30 seconds I did NOT mean I would leave that early. I am polite enough to at least humour the party for a run or 2. The 30 seconds was a figure of speech, another way of saying "very early on". Please don't be the guy who lingers on things such as that to try argue a point.

The proposal I am making, I am aware that it could be exploited by tanks entering and leaving straight away and so I would not be against a similar system to the vote-kick / abandon one we have now, and make it so you can leave after 5 or 10 minutes without punishment.

[KenzieLynch]

You are giving this community way too much credit. This would be abused in so many situations, it's not even funny. Get your drop from a dungeon? *drop*. Don't like PS (or any random dungeon) that roulette gives you? *drop*. Progressing too slowly? *drop*.

If you are having an issue with a party, then just suck it up, and eat the 30 minutes. Maybe even ask the party to boot you. Sometimes people will be kind, and if you're just a DPS, then even more likely. There is plenty you can do in that little amount of time while you wait.

I just love how you're willing to purposefully troll the party (by just sitting down and refusing to help) to get your way. Grow up.

Read my comment again. Did I say I had done, or was actively doing that? Or was I making a point about the only other available option available to me right now if I want to avoid a lockout? If I was engaging in that kind of behaviour I wouldn't be making this proposal on the forums for christs sake, and I certainly wouldn't be bragging about this behaviour for all the GM's to see, would I? I don't think i'm the one who needs to grow up here.

That being said, players are using this method right now. So disregarding my method due to the potential for abuse is pretty futile given that the current system isn't devoid of the same thing.

[Skivvy]

Read my comment again. Did I say I had done, or was actively doing that? Or was I making a point about the only other available option available to me right now if I want to avoid a lockout? If I was engaging in that kind of behaviour I wouldn't be making this proposal on the forums for christs sake, and I certainly wouldn't be bragging about this behaviour for all the GM's to see, would I? I don't think i'm the one who needs to grow up here.

That being said, players are using this method right now. So disregarding my method due to the potential for abuse is pretty futile given that the current method isn't devoid of the same thing.

I haven't done this as of yet, but right now i'm thinking the best option I have when faced with this scenario is just to sit down, refuse to take part in the instance and wait to be kicked or get a free bonus when I come back to my chair in 30 minutes. Is that better for everyone?

To me, this is something a pouting child would do. Sit down right where they stand, cross there arms, and refuse to cooperate. But hey, if that's the best solution in your mind, who am I to stop you. I just hope whomever you are with in the dungeon reports you. You know, if/when you decide to start this.

[Yarikh]

You have that much faith in humanity that it doesn't need SE's policing for people to play nice?

No thanks, it is an inconvenience to fewer people with than without it.

[KenzieLynch]

OK. It's pretty clear that lots of you do not agree with this proposal, which is fair enough, so i'll just put my last thoughts here now for you to ponder and leave it there.

The duty finder is, right now, an open system for the most part. There is a very lenient ilvl requirement for certain content, but that's pretty much it. You can enter a trial without any prior knowledge or experience. That is your freedom do to so in the system that is currently in place. (For the record I believe that the vote kick abuse going on right now is wrong, and that vote-kick should also be removed for the same reason, to ensure the DF is open and fair to all)

In my personal opinion, if you have that freedom to enter a dungeon or trial without knowledge or experience, then I should in turn not be obligated to teach you how to complete said content (although I personally will if it seems like it will help). I also feel I shouldn't be punished for leaving the instance if I feel that, for whatever reason, it isn't going to work. That is, in my personal opinion, a completely open and fair system. No solution comes without problems, but I do believe that no matter what restrictions are put in place, that players will find a way to exploit them. Better to live and let live. That is all! ^ ^

[SinisterJoint]

look, bottom line kenzie is simple... It was lower before and TONS and I mean TONS of people were trolling the DF. It screws over dps who are trying to do dungeon runs. DPS ques are upwards of 30minutes and LONGER. No thanks on the tank who decides he wants to be a prick.