NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[L-D-Omlette]

As for your example on Samurai, I think the issue with that would be FF has built up the reasoning that Samurai should be using katanas. Randomly giving it a spear because it was like that historically is a big F-U to people who've come to expect Samurai's iconic weapon to be the weapon of choice.

Which is why I used it as an example. Thief has an iconic image, that many players wanted, and were looking forward to when the possibility presented itself, myself included. Making rogue the only version of Thief in this game is a big F-U to people who've come to expect Thieves iconic imagery to be represented and playable at endgame.

[Exstal]

I disagree. If Thief came out as a tank or healer, that would be a problem. Would it be superior if Thief didn't appear at all, rather than it being (supposedly) caste into the class for Ninja? In single player games, I liked Thief up until last boss because you can steal some pretty awesome rare items, but when it came time to put on the hurt, they left something to be desired. However, since those people who want Thief job came from XI, it's probably more a "feel" than "logic". If that's the case, which it more than likely is, there is no way to win an argument with them.

To be fair, Naoki said "they evolved from thieves", not "they are thief renamed". So one can just about completely ignoring Rogue as a Thief and just say Thief isn't in FFXIV.

[Radacci]

Have fun assuming the whole community will accept someone using a class on T9. BTW you DPS on coil 9 as a Mar is not a good point to bring up because Mar even as a class is suppose to tank. You aren't even using the class as it should be played. If your static is fine with that good for you. Don't expect everyone to accept alternative play styles just so that you can be right on saying that Rogue is this games Thief job. lol

I'm well aware of that *the whole community* wouldn't accept it but only 1% of the community, can even get to T9, so why should i care about what others think about it?
The wolf doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep, so to speak
A large part of the community can't even clear TitanHM, yet. So their arguments against ppl going as MRD to T9, is hardly valid.

Which is why I used it as an example. Thief has an iconic image, that many players wanted, and were looking forward to when the possibility presented itself, myself included. Making rogue the only version of Thief in this game is a big F-U to people who've come to expect Thieves iconic imagery to be represented and playable at endgame.

I'm curious, what is this iconic image, that people were looking forward to?

[Reynhart]

Interesting interview from bluegartr
Still confusing because Yoshida uses "job" and "class" when talking about Thief.

[Exstal]

Interesting interview from bluegartr
Still confusing because Yoshida uses "job" and "class" when talking about Thief.

名称については……開発チームでも本音を言えば“シーフ”と呼びたいのです（苦笑）。

He doesn't actually state "job" in the first sentence, he just wanted it to be called Thief (referring to the class). I think the translator added that in, but he does say "class" later on in the paragraph.

[Reynhart]

名称については……開発チームでも本音を言えば“シーフ”と呼びたいのです（苦笑）。

He doesn't actually state "job" in the first sentence, he just wanted it to be called Thief (referring to the class). I think the translator added that in, but he does say "class" later on in the paragraph.

Thanks for the clarification

[Radacci]

Have fun assuming the whole community will accept someone using a class on T9. BTW you DPS on coil 9 as a Mar is not a good point to bring up because Mar even as a class is suppose to tank. You aren't even using the class as it should be played. If your static is fine with that good for you. Don't expect everyone to accept alternative play styles just so that you can be right on saying that Rogue is this games Thief job. lol



You come off as a person who thinks they are clever, but in reality, not so much. If you can't understand the simple concept that people want to play a Thief Job, end game, and not a Rogue CLASS then I don't see the point in keeping this mindless discussion going. Nothing you have said is new to this thread, its been repeated every other page. Yes, the five other people on my blist have said the same stuff you have, word from word. None of what they said or you currently saying justifies denying people a Thief Job in this game. I'm certain you are only here for "entertainment" because you are oh so "bored". Yes on a Friday you are bored.

"So it’s a little different in the sense of Ninja and Thief from the past FF series? What about the “Steal” ability that Thieves have traditionally had in FF games?

Well, since this is a stand-alone game, we don’t have to maintain all of the traditional thief roles."
There you go, i didnt even have to take Rogue to T9, to prove anything.

Like i said earlier, dont throw rocks, in glass houses...
you portrayed a rather similar image, with your derp-talk, and commenting about me being bored on friday.
And no, i don't even know what this iconic image of THF, that ppl have, is. So i dont understand why ppl want to play a THF job, over a ROG class. To me, THF steals stuff; that doesn't sound exciting for most parts of the game, and certainly not for end-game. But if you can explain to me what's interesting about Thief, then i can maybe see a reason to have it in game, and maybe even hope that they add it. But considering Yoshi's comment, it doesn't seem likely.

[L-D-Omlette]

I'm curious, what is this iconic image, that people were looking forward to?

If you need to ask then your FF exposure is limited, or you aren't a fan of the role. But since you asked:



or



as opposed to this



or

[Radacci]

If you need to ask then your FF exposure is limited, or you aren't a fan of the role. But since you asked:



or



as opposed to this



or

So the reason ppl want THF in end-game...is cause of vanity?
I played FF5-14, except XI...uhm and maybe some of the earlier...i'm a bit hazy about those earlier ones
THF was never exciting, except for getting rare items (and in some cases it was the only way to get something, or half the game earlier than normal)

[L-D-Omlette]

So the reason ppl want THF in end-game...is cause of vanity?
I played FF5-14, except XI...uhm and maybe some of the earlier...i'm a bit hazy about those earlier ones
THF was never exciting, except for getting rare items (and in some cases it was the only way to get something, or half the game earlier than normal)

Well, I was simplifying it. Personally I wanted thief for primarily nostalgic reasons. Most of my favorite characters throughout the series are Thieves, and it is what I played in XI. I will likely level Rogue and might even give Ninja a whirl, but the Mudra concept does not give off the Thief "vibe" in any way, which is what will be lacking.

Think of it this way. Your main class (at time of this post) is displayed as Lancer. If there was another job that utilized spears that didn't integrate jumps and have the Dragoon "feel" it wouldn't be the same as playing Dragoon.

While you may think that THF was never exciting, but it was something I used extensively in every FF that it was represented in.