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  1. #51
    Player
    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 60
    Why does everyone have to tell the healer how to do their job? I'd rather have my healers equip cleric stance on ttd that bother with damage mitigation when there's barely any damage going out to begin with. But they are the healer and it's at their discretion!

    As a side note how easy this dungeon is, when my friend was leveling scholar he'd put himself on follow and afk. He'd even tell them he was doing that. Then get 3 commendations. Lol
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  2. #52
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    JonFarron's Avatar
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    Alistair Adfectus
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nukocafe View Post
    You que as a healer so your main job is to heal.
    If you want to DPS so badly, que as a DPS.
    They had every right to kick you.

    Yes Tamtara is an easy dungeon, but I was running it a few days ago as a level 50 tank but with all the level sync, I still need healing.
    My white mage thought "hur dur im gonna spam cleric stance" and at on point I almost died because I was down to about 1% hp from him not healing me.
    So yes, that protect actually saved me (along with the 1 cool down I could actually use).

    If you don't want to do your job, and you act rude when people point this fact out, don't be surprised that they kick you.

    (Although I've seen a few healers like you and instead of arguing I just cast protect and stoneskin myself as a paladin.)
    You're forgetting they were on SCHOLAR. Eos is super OP in low levels, there's no reason to step outside of Cleric Stance unless things go very wrong.
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  3. #53
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    Ashkendor's Avatar
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MeiUshu View Post
    It doesnt matter what you compare the percentage is the same 10 % thus the use of it is the same this of 10%, simple as that, saying that 10% at lower level is nonsense and not useful ebcause figures are ridiculous that 10% mitigation wont make a difference is nonsense, ebcause the one being protected with 10% is better protected then this that has nothing which is exactly the point I want to make.
    It's not 10% damage mitigation, though. It's 10% more defense. The healer in cleric stance mitigates more damage than that prevents simply by virtue of the fact that things die really fast when you essentially have 3 DPS.
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  4. #54
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    LionKing's Avatar
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    Kaane Moka
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    The other night, I ran into a Sch who had no fairy out and spammed Physick all the run, no Shield, nothing as a tank. To put it over the top, he even healed in Cleric stance...When I pointed out he had been doing wrongly, a very straight answer from him just make me want to leave immediately : "Shut up!!!Don't tell me how to do my job".... And as a result, we ran cooperbell mine.story mode and wiped multiple times....And I was ilv91 Pal and did everything I could just to survive....
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  5. #55
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    Skander's Avatar
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    Skander Vidal
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    I don't really see the issue as protect or no protect... The issue I see is people auto bickering with one another as if they and their way are SE's gift to the game. If it were vigil or something and a SCH wanted to argue that he didn't need to throw out a protect 'cause eos was compensating anyway, I'd probably question the logic (or lack thereof) but someone choosing SC over protect at a level where only one cross class is available seems petty and childish. You probably requeued before they got another heal anyway. For future reference, responding to rude behavior in kind has rarely done anyone any favors.
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  6. #56
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    peaches's Avatar
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    Egwene Al'vere
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    The other night, I ran into a Sch who had no fairy out and spammed Physick all the run, no Shield, nothing as a tank. To put it over the top, he even healed in Cleric stance...When I pointed out he had been doing wrongly, a very straight answer from him just make me want to leave immediately : "Shut up!!!Don't tell me how to do my job".... And as a result, we ran cooperbell mine.story mode and wiped multiple times....And I was ilv91 Pal and did everything I could just to survive....
    I purposely de-summon my fairy sometimes when people are purposely standing in AoEs and not trying to make any effort to move at all. I ask them to try to move out of the stuff, and if they don't respond or don't make any effort still I don't heal them when they get hit by easily avoidable stuff. Since I can't tell my fairy not to heal him in particular, I de-summon my fairy and just heal the tank. I'll heal him if he gets hit by unavoidable stuff during a boss fight, I wouldn't purposely wipe the party like that.

    I know your story doesn't sound anything like that though, different case all together.

    *edit*

    seriously, this 1000 char limit is starting to pi*s me off
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  7. #57
    Player
    LionKing's Avatar
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    Kaane Moka
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    He never has his fairy out from the very beginning which I did not notice till I realised I had been put in too many dire situations and wiped relatively speaking with my gear ilv 91. Then I started keeping an eye on the Healer and that was when I saw Physick spam and no fairy at all....And on top, in Cleric stance...

    As for Fairy, I believe you can choose who, she wiill heal by putting her on Obey command. I think so, may be wrong though.
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  8. #58
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    Gamma621's Avatar
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    Gamma Gigantos
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by peaches View Post
    I purposely de-summon my fairy sometimes when people are purposely standing in AoEs and not trying to make any effort to move at all. I ask them to try to move out of the stuff, and if they don't respond or don't make any effort still I don't heal them when they get hit by easily avoidable stuff. Since I can't tell my fairy not to heal him in particular, I de-summon my fairy and just heal the tank. I'll heal him if he gets hit by unavoidable stuff during a boss fight, I wouldn't purposely wipe the party like that.

    I know your story doesn't sound anything like that though, different case all together.
    Why would you go out of your way to not heal people? Why should it matter if they're getting hit when Eos/Selene can still handle solo healing? It's possible that they are not dodging because it slows DPS, and the damage received is nothing that Eos/Selene can't handle by herself. So you've succeeded in nothing but slowing the run down. This is exactly why I only roll SCH in Low level roulette, cause of people like you.
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  9. #59
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    Noxifer's Avatar
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    C'alih Tia
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    I've always assumed Protect is more important than just 10% more def O.o I remember running around in S. Thanalan while levelling, and those sabotenders with their 100 needles did 100 damage without Protect, 50 damage with Protect (non-boosted). Maybe attacks like that are treated differently?

    But yeah, for those first dungeons.... Sure, Protect is always nice and it's like hugging your security blanket tightly But I wouldn't throw a fit right at the start. If it turned out the party had trouble surviving, however, I'd request the healer (or anyone with access to CNJ crossclass skills, really) to shuffle their skills around for a quick boost. And should you happen to have people still in classes instead of jobs, which seems more likely if you have trouble surviving without Protect, it's probably even easier to find someone with access to skill slots for Protect =)
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  10. #60
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    Riyos's Avatar
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    Character
    Akio Sakiro
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nukocafe View Post
    You que as a healer so your main job is to heal.
    If you want to DPS so badly, que as a DPS.
    It's so stupid
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