Disable spiritbonding in dungeons.

[Alukah]

So, there is no need for the SB gear to be job appropriate when you are otherwise i100 on the left. Crafting gear makes no difference.

There's no need to keep such players in the party either and now we have the green light to kick them without any fear of being reported.

[Waeksyn]

There's no need to keep such players in the party either and now we have the green light to kick them without any fear of being reported.

So, are you going to kick ALL players that are below i61 even though the requirement for the dungeon is 55? What a hypocrit.

And make no mistake, you will be reported for kicking due to you not liking their gear.

[Kuroyasha]

It's ridiculous, I don't care if people want to gimp themselves when they are playing solo, but when you are in a group doing a speedrun, you aren't supposed to be wearing i50 accessories wth? I constantly see people asking in PF for i93-i94, then you see the host and his buddy go with i50 crafted accessories to spiritbond. That's just completely unacceptable. Also, I seriously don't understand people, you spend hours, days, weeks wiping over and over and over again in SCoB, week after week, until you manage to clear...and after 3 months, when you are finally full high allagan, instead, you permanently wear this i50 crafted accessories that gimp yourself at ridiculous levels. That's like earning money for 10 years for a Ferrari F50 and when you buy it, you don't use it, instead, you drive your Seat Ibiza because it consumes less fuel.

[Ooshima]

What constitute being being appropriate gear?

For an example right now if I stripped off all 5 of my accessories I still have 478 DEX - which is equivalent of i83 in all aiming gear (i90 and i70 mix), but I still have 63 VIT higher than the said i90-i70 mix, which translates to 913HP higher.

Is i83 adequate enough? It is even enough for T5 which entry requirement is i82. In this case, am I "allowed" to wear SB accessories?

My primary stats could be even higher - to i86 equivalant of all aiming gears once I upgrade my Rosenbogen to High Allagan Composite Bow and my pants from Weathered Auroral Brais to High Allagan Breeches of Aiming. Which is really well enough for all existing content outside Coil 2. But I'm sure someone will bitch about me in SB gear on the right hand side nonetheless.

[Giantbane]

So, are you going to kick ALL players that are below i61 even though the requirement for the dungeon is 55? What a hypocrit.

And make no mistake, you will be reported for kicking due to you not liking their gear.

Apparently if you discuss the issue first, give them a chance to change, and if they still don't then SE won't do anything about it if you kick them. It seems they expect players to sort that type of thing out on their own.

A quote from a GM that was posted in the "this needs to be stopped immediately" thread

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

Note the bit about game style differing.

[WhiteDragon]

Greetings,

While an item level requirement has been set up in order to participate in high level content, the gear used is up to the players. As such, we do not have any plans to implement limitations to the system that prevent equipment to be worn for spiritbonding.

In the event we were to specifically decide the stats and item level per equipment slot for dungeons, it would take away the freedom of what you can wear since it will be limited to only specific pieces.

Equipment choice is an important element for content strategy, and while there are aspects that rely on the responsibility of players themselves, we’d like you to communicate with each other to make decisions based on the situation.

What about stat requirements though? Kinda frustrating when people join in with Crafting or Gathering gear...

[Alukah]

So, are you going to kick ALL players that are below i61 even though the requirement for the dungeon is 55? What a hypocrit.

And make no mistake, you will be reported for kicking due to you not liking their gear.

This is not about ilvl, there's a difference between someone who is still gearing up or someone who is sbing gear appropriate to their class, and someone who is using trade/fieldcraft gear.

Your report would be void unless the majority agrees with using crafter gear.

[Tharian]

Just because you don't SB you want to disable others from SBing? If it's not some extreme fast paced BFSR but some normal instance, why not?

Take a chill pill and stop complaining about everything not important lol.

The complaint was that it WAS a Brayflox Speed Run, or alternatively a Second Coil run. In both instances it would be fairly unreasonable to go into those dungeons with Item Level 50 gear under most circumstances. I know that as a healer myself I rather abhor people who go into dungeons under geared.

Also consider this scenario: a Tank comes into a dungeon sporting mostly item level 50 gear, and a Black Mage (or other DPS) joins the party sporting item level 100 to 110 gear... who do you think is going to end up fulfilling the role of the Tank in that party? It won't be the Paladin or the Warrior that is for sure.

[Ooshima]

The complaint was that it WAS a Brayflox Speed Run, or alternatively a Second Coil run. In both instances it would be fairly unreasonable to go into those dungeons with Item Level 50 gear under most circumstances. I know that as a healer myself I rather abhor people who go into dungeons under geared.
Also consider this scenario: a Tank comes into a dungeon sporting mostly item level 50 gear, and a Black Mage (or other DPS) joins the party sporting item level 100 to 110 gear... who do you think is going to end up fulfilling the role of the Tank in that party? It won't be the Paladin or the Warrior that is for sure.

Yes the complaint was about a SR. But because of that he is calling for banning of SB in all dungeons, which is dumb. Which is why in the quoted text you have quoted me, I said: "If it's not some extreme fast paced BFSR but some normal instance, why not?"

Also consider this scenario (which happened to me earlier tonight) a Tank comes into a dungeon sporting mostly item level 50 gear, and a Black Mage (or other DPS) joins the party sporting item level 100 to 110 gear... who do you think is going to end up fulfilling the role of the Tank in that party? It won't be the Paladin or the Warrior that is for sure.

Well you have to see if the tank is genuinely in i50/AF gear. If it is genuinely a new 50 tank then I guess there is no choice but for the i100/110 DPS to control their hate a little. But if the tank is not new tank and does have the appropriate gears, then he should understand that he might need to change back, or at least change back some of it to have enough STR to generate enough hate to tank properly. This I agree.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

He said the devs weren't going to get specific on saying which which gear is right or wrong to be wearing in a dungeon. He said it's up to the group to discuss and decide that.

But if the group decides that certain gear is needed for a situation (say ... not wearing crafting accessories) and an individual does not want to go along with that ... it sounds like he's saying it's up to the group to decide how they want to proceed ... aka vote kick the uncooperative player.

You'd be liable for harassment if you kicked someone for their gear choices. What you call uncooperative is different playstyle and goals. And dev rep has just told you they aren't forbidden. But kicking players for what equipment they wear, is. You can kick a DD if they refuse to do damage, or healer if they refuse to heal, or someone refusing to engage in battle. But you can't kick because you think they don't do enough damage or enough healing. If they're meeting dungeon minimum iLv and participating in the fights, they have the same right to be there as you.
You are allowed to leave the dungeon yourself tho, or Vote Disband.