Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[axemtitanium]

Noob dragoon question, apologies if it's been asked/answered in the previous 294 pages. Life Surge/Internal Release/Power Surge are all 60 second cooldowns and usually come off cooldown in the same Heavy Thrust duration for me. Should I be saving them to use with Blood for Blood (80s cd, so 20s later) or using them as they're up?

[whiskeybravo]

Noob dragoon question, apologies if it's been asked/answered in the previous 294 pages. Life Surge/Internal Release/Power Surge are all 60 second cooldowns and usually come off cooldown in the same Heavy Thrust duration for me. Should I be saving them to use with Blood for Blood (80s cd, so 20s later) or using them as they're up?

In general, no, don't save them. If there are specific mechanics where something needs to be burst down quickly, then you typically will want to save them for that burst phase. Of course, you want to try to use Life Surge with either Full Thrust or Jump (highest potency attacks) while under B4B.

Internal Release I always use on CD. B4B I typically use on CD, unless the aforementioned burst phase is looming, or there is a mechanic where you expect to take large incoming damage (obviously you don't want to commit suicide with B4B). Use Life Surge with either Jump or Full Thrust, preferably while under B4B.

My perspective anyways..

[HulveinBlitz]

Am I just an awful DRG then ? i103 DRG w/ Liberator (i110). I do about 380-390 dps via ACT. I'm in charge of homing missle/brainjack for all of the fight, and just homing missle at the end. TP starved in last phase for about a little less than a minute. We do have Selene.

I think with just i100 weathered Liberator I was pulling somewhere around 330-340.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6176814/. HQ apkallu for 490 acc.

I also do about 340 on T6 using briar/ss method. ~300-320 on T7. In first 2 phases of T9 I'm averaging ~300 at the wipe.

If DRGs in low gear should be pulling ~350 at a bare minimum T8 style what I am doing wrong that I'm barely higher? Let me know!

I always go with the notion.. build my gear sets to avoid using accuracy food.

That should be the aim.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I always go with the notion.. build my gear sets to avoid using accuracy food.

That should be the aim.

While I appreciate the comment, you provided no reasoning for why your suggestion is meaningful. Why should that be the aim? If my accuracy food gets me to the cap while giving me a higher amount of stats is it not superior to less stats but buttons/risotto?

To piggyback off that - what are your numbers like and what content are you currently tackling for comparison?

[rickyguo]

Am I just an awful DRG then ? i103 DRG w/ Liberator (i110). I do about 380-390 dps via ACT. I'm in charge of homing missle/brainjack for all of the fight, and just homing missle at the end. TP starved in last phase for about a little less than a minute. We do have Selene.

I think with just i100 weathered Liberator I was pulling somewhere around 330-340.

If DRGs in low gear should be pulling ~350 at a bare minimum T8 style what I am doing wrong that I'm barely higher? Let me know!

It could be because of being tp starved. Your t6/t7 and t9 doesn't seem to be lacking assuming average mechanics so it's more about the fight than your rotation. What do you pull at a dummy over 3 minutes? Are you averaging 380-390 throughout the entire fight? Or do you average higher and then drop due to certain things like not having tp?

Also you just simply don't get that much dps for gear. For reference, at a dummy I hit 350~ with i95 weapon and full i90 and now I hit like 450~ with i115 weapon and almost full i110 (minus 1 ring).

[Altena]

I don't know what you're doing to have CT fall off consistently enough to assume others are doing so.

Well on a straight zerg with 1 boss, no adds and pretty standard mechanics, no it generally won't fall off during the 2nd FT..
However mechanics such as T7 where you get shriek, or in T6 if you have honey and need to be devoured, getting conflag in T5 - it will generally fall off before you can finish your 2nd FT combo.

General mechanics such as breaking vines in T6, or very short disconnects in general, no it generally won't fall off during the 2nd FT. I am just more curious what people do in that instance.

Generally if Chaos is going to fall off mid FT combo and I still have to refresh HT or Phleb, then I usually just skip the 2nd FT and end up clipping it pretty heavily.

[KaldeaSahaline]

It could be because of being tp starved. Your t6/t7 and t9 doesn't seem to be lacking assuming average mechanics so it's more about the fight than your rotation. What do you pull at a dummy over 3 minutes? Are you averaging 380-390 throughout the entire fight? Or do you average higher and then drop due to certain things like not having tp?

Also you just simply don't get that much dps for gear. For reference, at a dummy I hit 350~ with i95 weapon and full i90 and now I hit like 450~ with i115 weapon and almost full i110 (minus 1 ring).

I have no idea what I pull on a dummy these days. Maybe I'll check today. I avg 380-390 at the end of the fight so naturally it was probably a bit higher prior to running dry, but I don't run my parser up over I just minimize the game post fight/wipe to check final numbers, etc.

Thanks for the response.

[ColdestHeaven]

I actually didn't think about it till now, but what parser are our friends using? Logrep and XIVAPP seem to have different numbers - as in, REALLY different. The first says 317 and the other one 375 on training dummies while in party, without food/Selene. Not sure what I should trust anymore lol.

Sorry if I up my question, it's just that I'm really confused considering what I'm reading @_@

[VladSanguinus]

hey, fellow Drg here, just asking for some advice(omg, really?). I've been getting a lot of flak from my static on the amount of dps I've been doing in 2nd coil, and I'm appalled by the numbers I'm showing on there. On t6 I've been parsing around 240dps and on t8 been doing around 290-320dps when our monk who has i95 weapons has been doing over 400dps. I also have an i95 weapon and I'm at ilvl96 gs. on dummy i can reach up to 340-380...
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/5923289
Buttons HQ

[snowybell]

oh whoop, what's the logic behind all dat skill speed?

My det just dropped below 300, but my skill speed, is close to 500.