Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Kurand0]

What this thread's consensus about locking on? Do you guys do it? Does it make a big difference in DPS?

[SolarMisae]

What this thread's consensus about locking on? Do you guys do it? Does it make a big difference in DPS?

I do it, I have it set to a fast hot key so I can quickly take it off when I have to move out of an aoe like circle blade etc. Keeps your auto attacks going at all times. It's a small DPS increase compared to legacy without lock on.

[Itseotle]

Question on drg for Levi ex fight. Are drg good on that fight? What dps number I should b looking for? I'm ilvl93 and I know how to play the job. But I started farming it, but having problem keeping 200+ dps that I'm having problems.

A good DRG can do all fights, even Garuda Ex (dont let baddies tell you otherwise). 200+ is slightly low, but 250 iirc is a good baseline on levi. There's a couple tricks I use to boost my numbers on that fight, such as holding DFD for when theres the 2 adds, having Levi slam me into his face so I can Phleb his face before starting rotation on the tail (it just just over 1 GCD to run across the boat), always make sure dots are up before he dives, and save Spineshatter for spumes if possible. Don;t forget you can also use Elusive Jump to bounce from 1 spume to the next.

I do it, I have it set to a fast hot key so I can quickly take it off when I have to move out of an aoe like circle blade etc. Keeps your auto attacks going at all times. It's a small DPS increase compared to legacy without lock on.

Very small especially if you move with strafes. Its really user preference imo.

290-ish, unless with X-potion of strength, then, you can push to 300, but not over 310. My DPS at the stage in t8 was 296DPS. Oh I forget, I use Button in a Blanket HQ as food, X-Potion of Strength for burst, and my acc is 520.

Not to offend but that seems a bit low. I can't recall what I was doing for my first attempts at 2nd coil but I do recall at flat i90 with relic zenith on First coil being able to easily pull 300+ on fights like Cad and ADS (old school style). I also remember pre-2.2 a BiS DRG (i91) could max out about 350. This all depends on how many mechanics your taking care of however. Less mechanics is more DPS for you.

And here I thought I was doing bad sitting around 260 -270 in T6/T7. x.x; Weapon must be holding me back more than I thought. Gotta work on my animus faster I guess.

Thats actually really good considering all the potential for downtime, such as bad luck with vines/honey/devour/blighted.

[PArcher]

So basically what I understand from your post - you feel it is better to let CT fall off for 2-3 ticks then it is to clip it for about the same?

Just to go back to this...

My CT rarely, if ever, falls off, and I use the rotation in the OP (2 Thrust combos to one CT combo, plus alternating HT and PH). It takes me making a mistake or certain fight mechanics for that to happen. Normally I reapply at, I think, 2-5 seconds remaining (0-2 tics depending on the server clock), due to my high skill speed and whether Selene is there or not (and mechanics); probably more like 2-3 seconds at reapply on average. I pretty sure when I used the T5 BiS it was normally reapplied at 1-2 seconds remaining, or even just as it fell off (which is actually the ideal).

I don't know what you're doing to have CT fall off consistently enough to assume others are doing so.


Pretty much my post said the opposite of what you thought. More SS = more actions during the CT duration. At an SS to allow 2.5 Thrust combos in the CT duration, its likely better to clip CT by that 1/2 combo time, rather than try to get a third Thrust combo in and let CT fall off or stop the Thrust combo to reapply CT at the correct time. Also, at high SS, you use filler moves, like Fracture, to keep CT up as long as possible, since you'd gain 1 extra GDC over CT's duration (at the highest SS that we can currently achieve anyway)

[PArcher]

I do it, I have it set to a fast hot key so I can quickly take it off when I have to move out of an aoe like circle blade etc. Keeps your auto attacks going at all times. It's a small DPS increase compared to legacy without lock on.

I'm 90% sure its more "valuable" on MNK, as our AA is normally around our GDC (and we should only be moving on the boss for two moves, where MNK can be moving every move or every other), so it lines up reasonably well, or well enough that a few lost AA don't matter over the course of a long fight (damage RNG will have more an effect kinda small)

[LionKing]

Not to offend but that seems a bit low. I can't recall what I was doing for my first attempts at 2nd coil but I do recall at flat i90 with relic zenith on First coil being able to easily pull 300+ on fights like Cad and ADS (old school style). I also remember pre-2.2 a BiS DRG (i91) could max out about 350. This all depends on how many mechanics your taking care of however. Less mechanics is more DPS .

Ha, don't feel sorry. . However, compare DPS wise between Cad and ADS, where you literally doing nothing except to avoid Tail Swipe and Repelling Cannon (AOE around the boss), to the boss in t6,where there are a lot more downtimes, BB, Vines,Stacks for Acid Rain) is a bit unfair, don't you think? Plus not to mention, the boss has more defensive stats compared to the first Coil. Also, 290+ DpS is given based on he only has i100 Weapon and Ilv 98 in total. As for me, that was also my average DPS when I was ilv 96 with Levi Weapon. Nevertheless, I will re-evaluate my performance to see if I can push it a bit further.

[Itseotle]

Ah I thought we were comparing T8, which is similar to Cad.

[SolarMisae]

Very small especially if you move with strafes. Its really user preference imo.

Yeah, it's a very tiny dps increase and won't make or break a fight I don't believe, since drg is not mnk and doesn't move quite as much. I do it because it gives me a better "feel" for positioning I guess. I agree that it is user pref If you like it do it if not not a big deal.

I'm 90% sure its more "valuable" on MNK, as our AA is normally around our GDC (and we should only be moving on the boss for two moves, where MNK can be moving every move or every other), so it lines up reasonably well, or well enough that a few lost AA don't matter over the course of a long fight (damage RNG will have more an effect kinda small)

yeah drg doesn't move as much as a mnk so a mnk has more reason to do this. I just use it cause it feels more comfortable to move around bosses with it on. I don't do it cause of dps reasons, I just like it.

[ColdestHeaven]

I actually didn't think about it till now, but what parser are our friends using? Logrep and XIVAPP seem to have different numbers - as in, REALLY different. The first says 317 and the other one 375 on training dummies while in party, without food/Selene. Not sure what I should trust anymore lol.

[KaldeaSahaline]

350 atleast.

Am I just an awful DRG then ? i103 DRG w/ Liberator (i110). I do about 380-390 dps via ACT. I'm in charge of homing missle/brainjack for all of the fight, and just homing missle at the end. TP starved in last phase for about a little less than a minute. We do have Selene.

I think with just i100 weathered Liberator I was pulling somewhere around 330-340.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6176814/. HQ apkallu for 490 acc.

I also do about 340 on T6 using briar/ss method. ~300-320 on T7. In first 2 phases of T9 I'm averaging ~300 at the wipe.

If DRGs in low gear should be pulling ~350 at a bare minimum T8 style what I am doing wrong that I'm barely higher? Let me know!