This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Lucke]

Demanding people to stand around and do absolutely nothing for half of the dungeon run because you want to watch a movie is a little selfish.

I agree that having mid dungeon CSes probably wasn't the smartest idea ever. But it's also selfish to bully someone else who is there for the story to skip their cutscenes because YOU wanna get YOUR tomes faster. Both sides are selfish, not just the one. Not talking about you specifically, but anyone who feels like bullying noobs for enjoying the game.

[Giantbane]

I agree that having mid dungeon CSes probably wasn't the smartest idea ever. But it's also selfish to bully someone else who is there for the story to skip their cutscenes because YOU wanna get YOUR tomes faster. Both sides are selfish, not just the one. Not talking about you specifically, but anyone who feels like bullying noobs for enjoying the game.

waiting for cutscenes - 1 player watching, 7 sitting on their thumbs

vs.

not waiting - 1 player watching cutscenes but doesn't get to fight bosses OR 1 player has to wait till later to watch his cutscenes but gets to participate in fights that get facerolled by the ilvl90+ players and 7 players that get to play the game without standing around


One of those options seems more selfish than the other. Maybe that's just me.

However, I agree with you that it's not right to bully others into not watching the cutscenes. And it's definitely not ok to kick them if they're new and watching the cutscenes.

[Lucke]

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You misunderstood. 1 person holding up the team (this is debatable as the dungeons can be done without them) is selfish (this as well is a grey area, the new person is watching the CS the SE themselves put into place. They aren't doing anything wrong per se).

vs.

7 other people wanting to hurry up. Damn the noob watching cutscenes, those 7 want their tomes now! That's pretty selfish, even if it's 7 people. They want their tomes, and damning everyone else is being selfish too. Not being considerate of anyone else, in this case the new player, is being selfish.

The new player holding the group back because they're watching CS, could be selfish on the first timer's part, but I think it's more SE's fault for allowing CSes in bad spots.
The 7 others are being selfish because they don't care about anyone else, they just want their tomes. They yell at anyone holding them back from getting their tomes even other people that skip CSes.

Like I said, it's a no-win situation on both sides. SE is being lazy by just saying "Handle it amongst yourselves". Which is good sometimes, but it's obviously splitting the community in half and leaving a very bad taste in some customers' mouths.

Sorry if I didn't explain it well.

[Darki]

It is not selfish to play the game as intended and get the full experience. It is so sad that people are such poor gamers they have no idea how to game.
"But 7 people want to grind and don't care at all about the noob and have no idea how to have fun with noobs ... what about them?"

They're getting tomes. To stand around and wait. Yes, that's how it works.
If they run ahead and kill everything, yes, they're being selfish.

Empathy does not mean "Oh, 7 people want to grind; I guess I will ruin my first time experience" or "Oh, the majority are selfish; I guess I should let them push me around."

Empathy means, "I was new once. I remember what that is like. Let's make sure the noob has fun, and hope they help the next noob have fun."

It's a lot more fun to be a gamer than a grinder.

Believe it or not. I actually agree. What I don't agree with is the anti-democracy messages being posted in this thread. That burns me.

Also, Empathy is a two way street. The best possible thing a new player could do, first thing is ask. Some people are more inclined to say "yes" if that much is honored. If you are willing to show empathy to others, then others are more inclined to return the favor or even better...pay it forward.

The worst thing a new player who wants to watch CSs could do is plant their feet and watch CSs without saying a word. I say this not just for the group's benefit, but for the benefit of the new player as well.

EDIT: Thank you for bringing a modicum of intelligence to the conversation.

[Giantbane]

You misunderstood. 1 person holding up the team (this is debatable as the dungeons can be done without them) is selfish (this as well is a grey area, the new person is watching the CS the SE themselves put into place. They aren't doing anything wrong per se).

vs.

7 other people wanting to hurry up. Damn the noob watching cutscenes, those 7 want their tomes now! That's pretty selfish, even if it's 7 people. They want their tomes, and damning everyone else is being selfish too. Not being considerate of anyone else, in this case, the new player is being selfish.

For my part:

I don't think a person is being selfish for watching the cutscenes, I think they're being selfish if they demand others wait for them if they do. Like the OP is doing.

I don't think it's right for the 7 others to badger, belittle or kick a new player because they're watching the cutscenes SE put in there when it's their first run.

So I *think* we're pretty much on the same page?

It is not selfish to play the game as intended and get the full experience. It is so sad that people are such poor gamers they have no idea how to game.
"But 7 people want to grind and don't care at all about the noob and have no idea how to have fun with noobs ... what about them?"

They're getting tomes. To stand around and wait. Yes, that's how it works.
If they run ahead and kill everything, yes, they're being selfish.

Empathy does not mean "Oh, 7 people want to grind; I guess I will ruin my first time experience" or "Oh, the majority are selfish; I guess I should let them push me around."

Empathy means, "I was new once. I remember what that is like. Let's make sure the noob has fun, and hope they help the next noob have fun."

It's a lot more fun to be a gamer than a grinder.

I get what you're saying. But standing around waiting for someone to watch 20+ minutes worth of cutscenes isn't really playing the game either. It's standing there wasting your time.

You may consider it playing the game as designed, but the design was poor in this particular instance.

[Lucke]

For my part:

I don't think a person is being selfish for watching the cutscenes, I think they're being selfish if they demand others wait for them if they do. Like the OP is doing.

I don't think it's right for the 7 others to badger, belittle or kick a new player because they're watching the cutscenes SE put in there when it's their first run.

So I *think* we're pretty much on the same page?

I agree with you on your points, we are on the same page =D. Again, sorry if my post was confusing to read.