NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Reynhart]

FFXIV has a much better backbone system in place in terms of balance.

Indeed, but let's look at the current DPS jobs

DRG, high physical damage, low speed
MNK, low physical damage, high speed
BRD, low physical damage, constant speed because you can attack while dodging
BLM, high magical damage, fluctuating speed because of interruption
SMN, low magical damage, great stacking
Although there's not big of a difference between "high" and "low" damage, the mix of raw damage and speed gives them all slight the same damage ouput in the long run.

Adding two more DPS jobs (Ninja and Thief) means two new mix of raw damage and speed, so that they don't overlap with an existing concept while still retaining the same output.

[Zarzak]

Adding two more DPS jobs (Ninja and Thief) means two new mix of raw damage and speed, so that they don't overlap with an existing concept while still retaining the same output.

It's only one job. Thief (Rogue) becomes Ninja

[Reynhart]

It's only one job. Thief (Rogue) becomes Ninja

The question was "Why don't people want as many job as possible ?" regarding for a future "Thief" job

[Duelle]

The question was "Why don't people want as many job as possible ?" regarding for a future "Thief" job

Number of jobs would be irrelevant if we had more content for large groups. When you have more bodies in a raid, design the classes/jobs to not stack well and have enough varying mechanics in the instance, that encourages raids to bring balanced comps and as many different classes as they can.

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This is an aside, but reading the blurb on rogues they pretty much went with my Robin Hood-esque approach but gave it to the base class (whywouldyoudothat?!.jpg). The only way I now see THF being implemented is if they went and called it Treasure Hunter or something along those lines (considering SE by proxy owns the Tomb Raider franchise, they could also call it that) and built the concept and story aspect on...treasure hunting. And before anyone asks, no, I do not want to see Lara Croft in Eorzea.

[Zarzak]

This is an aside, but reading the blurb on rogues they pretty much went with my Robin Hood-esque approach but gave it to the base class (whywouldyoudothat?!.jpg). The only way I now see THF being implemented is if they went and called it Treasure Hunter or something along those lines (considering SE by proxy owns the Tomb Raider franchise, they could also call it that) and built the concept and story aspect on...treasure hunting. And before anyone asks, no, I do not want to see Lara Croft in Eorzea.

Since it was brought up again...

attempt #10000000


Please for the love of god explain to me what you people think the difference between rogue and thief is. Cause the only contention seems to be that Yoshi didn't call it thief.

[Velhart]

Please for the love of god explain to me what you people think the difference between rogue and thief is. Cause the only contention seems to be that Yoshi didn't call it thief.

Lore wise, rogues were thieves once, but over time evolved themselves into the guilds and GC alliances of Eorzea, offering their skills in the name of their nation. To me it sounds like this opens a gateway to a potential Thief job. Meeting an NPC who teaches you the old ways before everyone went to being rogues.

[Zarzak]

Lore wise, rogues were thieves once, but over time evolved themselves into the guilds and GC alliances of Eorzea, offering their skills in the name of their nation. To me it sounds like this opens a gateway to a potential Thief job. Meeting an NPC who teaches you the old ways before everyone went to being rogues.

Still does not answer the question.

This is how the past few weeks has gone.

Yoshi: "Hey guys I'm proud to announce you are getting the rogue/nin added to FFXIV in 2.4. Rogues are thieves that decided it was time to become members of society and form a reputable guild"

Rogues are thieves that decided it was time to become members of society

Rogues are thieves that decided

Rogues are thieves

Rogues = Thieves - warrent for arrest

Players 1-1048: "WTFBBQ WHERE IS MY THIEF"

So are you asking for them to add a class to the game that every city guard tries to arrest on sight?

[Reynhart]

Number of jobs would be irrelevant if we had more content for large groups.

A party is still eight people, and more content for large group would mean more problem to gather enough people.
And I don't know how they could prevent us from stacking better jobs if some of them really get the upper hand

Please for the love of god explain to me what you people think the difference between rogue and thief is.

Their problem is that Thief (Let's suppose Rogue = Thief) is not a job, but a class. And people use semantics to explain how the two have nothing in common although Ninja will play A LOT like Thief (We're still assuming Rogue = Thief) since 3/4 of its skills come from the class.
The best part is when they imply that Rogue won't have Thief's iconic skills without even knowing Rogue's skills

[Duelle]

A party is still eight people, and more content for large group would mean more problem to gather enough people.
And I don't know how they could prevent us from stacking better jobs if some of them really get the upper hand

That's why I mentioned several other elements that would have a hand in that. If you have 6 bosses in a 24-man dungeon where 3 punish melee and 3 punish range, you have reason to bring a balanced comp. The principle that justifies the presence of a second/third tank does apply to the other roles.

If you design melee DPS to be balanced around each other with close enough DPS output, you have no reason to turn away any job(s). Same would apply for ranged.

[Reynhart]

That's why I mentioned several other elements that would have a hand in that. If you have 6 bosses in a 24-man dungeon where 3 punish melee and 3 punish range, you have reason to bring a balanced comp. The principle that justifies the presence of a second/third tank does apply to the other roles.

That would be horrible for alliance build with the Duty Finder. Pretty much like Ifrit Hard when people left because the party couldn't use the caster LB.
And since they remove elemental resistance to no "punish" anyone, I don't see them doing something as definitive.

Because Arcanist branches into a DPS and Healer people seem to jump to the conclusion that it has to be that way with every class but it really doesn't, it would be nice if most classes could end up that way as it would really help queue times I think, but SE shouldn't try to force jobs that won't work onto classes just to try and make sure every class can fill 2 different roles.

Since most skills comes from classes, the two jobs would probably play almost the same. I don't see the point in doing two jobs that fills the same role and play the same. For example, if I want to tank as a Gladiator related job, I'll go for PLD, I don't need a second tank.