NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Warlyx]

what reynhart is trying to say is that in 2.4 ....8 slots in party 4 for dps , 6 dps (blm ,smn , brd, drg ,mnk , nin), means 2 jobs are out , and since FFXIV is a min maxing game u will take the best jobs for it , if nin is OP u will exchange a melee for it , if its a gimped job , nins wont be able to get a raid spot (other than farming runs or old content)

[Exstal]

They are balancing the jobs so that each job is viable for every raid. Just what people who want to play the class shouldn't be ignored because it's not as good as the other classes.

[Cynric]

They are balancing the jobs so that each job is viable for every raid. Just what people who want to play the class shouldn't be ignored because it's not as good as the other classes.

As much as I agree with you, thats just not gonna happen. Some people are nice and don't care but most people will want what is most efficient for the content. If Ninja does good DPS like monk or even decent Dps but has slashing damage. you'll see more people wanting nin/drg/brd instead of bringing in monk. If Ninjas dps isn't great and has bad utility or is just too difficult to see played well, then ninja will get left out of content. Thats the game we play and it's been like that since day 1. In a way it's kind of sad but that's just how it is. Synergy/Utility/power over playing your favorite class or in some cases your favorite role.

[LoLo]

Duty Finder prevents people from not being able to progress in the game. For end game people can make their own parties to do end game or join a FC and have a static. There is no excuse as to why any job can not do raids.

[Cynric]

Duty Finder prevents people from not being able to progress in the game. For end game people can make their own parties to do end game or join a FC and have a static. There is no excuse as to why any job can not do raids.

Duty finder has it's limits(old content, players leaving, no current coil, etc.) and only a nice enough group or a not so progression focused one would let you gimp the static as a whole playing an inefficient job. I hardly ever see someone recruiting for a static without knowing the job they want the new person to be already. You're acting like people don't keep out jobs for the sake of better play or faster wins, when we both play on the same world and you can glance at party finder and shouts to see that people indeed keep out certain jobs and have been doing so since launch.

Remember Monk before buff? most parties didn't even want melee and if they did it was dragoon. Summoner before the DPS was found to be high? Double Paladin? Only ranged?

We literally do this all the time.

Heck there was even a point when doing ifrit hard if there was no blm/smn in DF parties everyone left. So Df doesn't solve everything.

[LoLo]

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I join FC statics, I play with people that know me in the game. It is best to join a FC that does end game. But honestly none of the jobs out right now are useless and do not hold their weight. What people are trying to say is that they dont have faith in the devs to create a job that is useful and if found unuseful, have the job revised just like they did for previous jobs.

What buff on Monk are you talking about? I only played Monk during 2.0 - 2.2 then changed my main to Bard after a month into 2.2 because my new static already had a Monk. I never had a problem doing end game on Monk when it was my main. Every time I did end game there was a monk present. I never seen a problem with Monk if the player knows how to dodge and learn to flank well.

It all comes down to is the player skilled or not.

[Cynric]

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let's see monk buffs that happened in 2.1 or 2.2 pretty sure it was 2.1 bu I could be wrong were overall potency increases on many skills(Demolish gained a actual hit as well as a positional increase it never had before,true strike buffed to 190 pot,bootshine ,twin snakes duration buff,) Also you could look at the monk temples first few pages to see there was a melee bane.

Dragoon was more wanted than monk because it increased the dps of bard, which was considered a job that was always needed for everything sometimes in twos(Turn 2,etc.), and because of mechanics like rot, tornados, and just monks at the time being generally bad, most people were kind of sketchy on doing pugs,df, and even inviting melee's in general. If you didn't deal with this I really question your maining Monk through 2.0 to 2.2, the monk temple was filled with talk of melee bane on all different worlds. You must of gotten really lucky with nice people.

Also in order to show your skill they have to actually party with you first. those two go hand in hand.

I know there was a melee bane because I dealt with it. People I never even met were scared I'd be bad at dodging or just suck because I played melee, they saw I was good and it worked out and i made friends. But you have to be given that chance first by people who are nice enough. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will.

Also if you've played any game with balancing you should know theres no such thing as perfect balance. I expect the devs to do their best. But only so much can be done. they didn't think T9 could be cleared with i90's and were proven wrong. It's just the nature of the genre.

[LoLo]

What was the Monk buff?

[SDaemon]

Remember Monk before buff? most parties didn't even want melee and if they did it was dragoon. Summoner before the DPS was found to be high? Double Paladin? Only ranged? .

I recall all of this except the dragoon preference. Never saw any of that.

[Exstal]

So basically, Ninja has to be between Dragoon and Monk or it'll be current Black Mage level of desirability. That's going to be annoying.