Tank disrespect.

[Jarvix]

When I go into an instance that I am not familiar with I state it at the very beginning. Let the other players know if they have any advice it woul be appreciated. I really never have problems with players willing to help make it a good experience. The Tanks that I will disrespect as you call it are the ones that go into an instance. Without saying a word to anyone run off screaming LEROY JENKINS!!! and start to beat on 1 mob and ignore the groups plea to attempt to keep aggro by using the skills available to them. Just because your daddy has money and got you a character from the gold spammers don't give you the right to ruin my playtime. I run into those alot lately. There is no way if you have been playing this class that you have not picked up at least on the basics during the lvling process.

[TheRogueX]

This x 1,000...I don't care what level you are. If you are losing hate one of two things is happening. [1] Your a bad tank and should change class. [2] Your gear is not sufficient for the content you are running. In most cases if not all its probably #1. If it ends up being #2..then get better gear.

Or maybe it's #3 - you just haven't 100% figured out how aggro works in this game. Don't be so rudely dismissive.

While I agree that ilvl 68 is adequate for clearing Amdapor Keep you also have to remember that this game has been out for quite some time now. Usually the only time someone will run AK, is if they get it through roulette, or they are completing a relic quest. If you only needed the quest for your relic and you obviously know your going to be worthless in the dungeon why not get your friends to run the dungeon with you. This IMO would be the polite thing to do instead of being a selfish liability for the rest of the group.

TLDR Yes you are a bad tank...get better gear and try again.

You're (see that there? That's how you spell it) an idiot. And yes, you are an elitist; the words you use to describe people show that you think you're better than they are, when really you're trash. You think everything you say is the right way, and everyone else is wrong or a bad player. The fact that you said flat out that people might be so bad they should just quit the game shows how ridiculous you are.

I ran AK as a fresh level 50 PLD in AF and crap accs and had no problem with it. Why? Partly because I know how to handle enmity, but also partly because even though the people running it with me were overgeared, they weren't idiots. Instead of blaming the new tank, why not blame the overgeared idiots who don't know how to handle their own aggro when it's clear their overgeared, yeah?

[Nabian]

Fixed your statement....

I ran AK as a fresh level 50 PLD in AF and crap accs and had no problem with it. Why? Because my group was nice enough to carry me.

Why do you feel the need to result to petty name calling? It really speaks volumes about your maturity and what kind of person you really are. Bottom line...bad players are going to be bad.

You admit that the reason you were able to clear the dungeon is because you understand how enmity works. My issue, is not with new players who are still learning how to play their class (which I have no problem helping when they admit they are new). My problem is with players who refuse to admit when they are clearly in the wrong, or players who refuse to accept any sort of criticism. Just because your new doesn't mean you can't be bad at your job. If you go to your job and set the building on fire because you didn't follow the safety protocol, chance are your going to get fired. When a player is bad, for whatever reason, they are still bad. Yes there is a chance that they will get better over time. I don't understand where this notion of "everybody is a winner" came from but it degrades the achievements of those who put the time and effort in to get to where they are. Not everyone is a winner, not everyone is going to be good enough to play every class. Some players just don't have the capacity to excel at certain jobs and no amount of training or "help" is going to get them to the level they need to be at. T

TLDR There will always be winners and losers. Get over yourself.


So Mr. Grammar Nazi...have your victory for catching my grammar mistake. But I'm getting bored with this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how right or wrong that opinion may be.

[Mellowlicious]

As a tank myself, I think taking off aggro from a tank is in no way disrespect. Unless there is a very high ilvl difference between the dps and the tank (in which case the dps really should throttle their dps) or the dps starts aggroing while the tank is still pulling, it means that the DPS is doing its job and the tank isn't.
Especially as a warrior, you shouldn't lose aggro until you hit level 50 and there is a massive ilvl difference. The only way to lose aggro at lower levels if you're not playing at your best, and if you're not marking/players aren't following your marks.

I think one of the biggest problems is that many players don't do their research and find out what skills are best for generating enmity. For example, earlier a player mentioned that he could not gain aggro no matter how often he flashed and overpowered. Well, just using flash and overpower is pretty wrong. At most 2 mobs will be targetted by dps, and all other mobs (usually there are 3-4) can only gain healing aggro. Instead, using the standard BB/Halone combo generates far, far more enmity, but on a single target. That means that using 2x aoe followed by BB/halone on one target will secure your aggro very well on this target. If you're marking and people are following you (DPS not following marks means you get to shout at them or let them keep aggro), it should be very hard to lose aggro on a standard group where everybody is hitting the same target.

Do note that of course you need to follow up with a couple more overpowers/flashes throughout the fight to make sure your healer/summoner/black mage doesn't gain aggro.

There is a really nice enmity chart on here that is a good read for any tank. Of course, you can find this out by experimenting yourself, but if you're complaining on the internet to begin with you can also check up on a very quick table.

Other than being heavily outgeared (the weapon damage on your weapon has a huge effect on your enmity!), there are only a few places in the game where the tank can lose aggro without it being his fault, most notably level 30-40 for Paladin.

[Liger]

@OP:
can verify what are you doing exactly so we can help?
for example, need to know your rotation and level.

[Synestr]

Pettiness takes time, unnecessary effort and doesn't kill bosses.

I like this part of your post. As a tank you should constantly work hard to be the best at your role. There are times, however, where it just ain't gonna happen. That mob isn't going to listen to you no matter what. Deal with it. Cover and let the DPS kill it.

Sometimes the motto is "you yank it, you tank it", other times it's "GIMMIE that back, don't touch my stuff!!"

I personally like when DPS pulls threat from me. Put's me to the test and forces me to work harder or think about what I didn't do to lock hate or what I could have done better to ensure it wouldn't leave. As I said though there will be times where it is unavoidable, i.e. BLM goin flare chain crazy.

From a DPS standpoint, really not hard to ensure you don't pull hate. Stay on the tanks main target for single dps. Watch the hate meter, green circle turn to a yellow triangle, then turn towards you...hmm time to lay off a bit. I like riding that line though as DPS. If I pull it I know its my fault and deal with it.

Just my 2g

Syn

[LalaRu]

Sad but true, if from the pack (6-8-10 mobs) I lose a couple mobs I can try get them, but if their aggro goes green, means the dps not only targetting that, but does not even care about aggro back.

Anyway always better check their target: if the poor healer, take aggro back is a must. But honestly, I end up with DRG and BRD 99,9% of times when checking who have fun with some rogue mob.

Then, take back aggro is 2x the work than keep aggro. Duties are a group effort and everyone needs play for the best result. Work together, end faster. If dps is low, small pulls. No aoe, smaller pulls.

Not to mention the guy who gets aggro and then run away... wtfudge run to me not to the other side of the map! xD

[Synestr]

Not to mention the guy who gets aggro and then run away... wtfudge run to me not to the other side of the map! xD

OMG that is the best. And then they are like, TANK GET IT OFF MEEEEEEEE!!!!!1!!!! I ain't movin man, run forrest....run.

As tanks we wish for common sense from DPS, it's not just button mashing. As DPS we wish for a meat shield to take many punchies to the face so we can whoopalize the mobs. In the end, we just need to work together for success.

Syn

On a side note, I used to play with a DRG that always blamed the heals and tank for his deaths, you know, because they didn't get him out of AoE's in time and stuff. Titan HM back in the day was a riot with him. Comedy Time (CT) as well was a hoot!

[Nukocafe]

There is no way if you have been playing this class that you have not picked up at least on the basics during the lvling process.

If they leveled their main class as a DPS then FATE grind their tank to 50, it's very much possible lol.

I once rank into a level 50 tank that couldn't keep aggro in totorak

[EricCartmenez]

There is a really nice enmity chart on here that is a good read for any tank. Of course, you can find this out by experimenting yourself, but if you're complaining on the internet to begin with you can also check up on a very quick table.

Thanks, I printed that out for reference.