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  1. #611
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    A while back they changed it where it will try to put in one ranged one melee for small groups and 2 of each for full parties when filling dps slots. What it won't do is hold a ranged/melee slot if there are none available, it will just fill with the other. For a long time CT ques were full of ranged dps, so I could que as a monk and get a 2 minute que time, while a black mage in my FC could end up waiting over 30 minutes. Right now there are 2 melee and 3 ranged dps jobs so adding ninja will just even it out.
    The wait time will still be a problem no matter what. Do you think they will never release another job after ninja? The only solution is if more players wanted to play a tank or a healer. But in the current MMO trend more people enjoy blowing/beating stuff up. Not taking a good punch or healing a party.

    They could add a support role but still I think the wait times will be an issue in the future.
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  2. #612
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLo View Post
    The wait time will still be a problem no matter what. Do you think they will never release another job after ninja? The only solution is if more players wanted to play a tank or a healer. But in the current MMO trend more people enjoy blowing/beating stuff up. Not taking a good punch or healing a party.

    They could add a support role but still I think the wait times will be an issue in the future.
    Not sure if it was just for dev purposes, but when Yoshi qued up for 2nd CT, it listed that it took 1 tank 2 heals and 5 dps, that right there should shorten que times by 25% for dps for that raid.
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  3. #613
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Not sure if it was just for dev purposes, but when Yoshi qued up for 2nd CT, it listed that it took 1 tank 2 heals and 5 dps, that right there should shorten que times by 25% for dps for that raid.
    That still will not fix the wait times looking into the future and I'm pretty sure that they plan to add at least two more jobs for the expansion coming up. Even if those jobs are a healer and a tank, people will majority play a DPS.
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  4. #614
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    Doesn't matter how many new tank or healer jobs a person who wants to play dps will play dps. There is less responsibility with playing dps one of the reasons why they are more popular. It is a lot more apparent when a tank or healer is messing up, mobs running around everywhere tank not holding aggro, people dying from not being healed. Its less apparent when a dps is doing low dps.
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  5. #615
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    There is less responsibility with playing dps one of the reasons why they are more popular. It is a lot more apparent when a tank or healer is messing up, mobs running around everywhere tank not holding aggro, people dying from not being healed. Its less apparent when a dps is doing low dps.

    o_O

    As a tank I basically have the job to afk half the fight hitting 1, 2, 3, 1, 4, 5, 1, 4, 6 over and over until the mob is dead.

    I can honestly say I've never heard anyone saying "man we would have Turn 6/7/8 down by now if only our tank was better"

    99.9% of the time it is "our dps aren't putting out enough to beat the enrage/specific mechanic/etc"

    DPS is a MUCH more demanding job than tanking for sure. And healing in most cases.
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  6. #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoLo View Post
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    If we still have the 1-1-2 format, it wouldn't matter since the wait time still falls within threshold.

    More Ninjas =/= Less tanks
    More Ninjas =/= Less Healers

    Ninja will not over-centralize the game and it's ridiculous to believe one job will have that many PH's coming in to make a noticeable different in wait-time.

    I'm not psychic but I know for sure most people who career heal or tank will not instantly receive a hard-on for Ninja and play it.

    At most, it will be FoM and everyone will have had their run with the new toy and go back to their mains.

    No need to over-speculate.
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  7. #617
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    Yoshi P confirms Ninja & Rogue
    Half Life 3 confirmed
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  8. #618
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double View Post
    If we still have the 1-1-2 format, it wouldn't matter since the wait time still falls within threshold.

    More Ninjas =/= Less tanks
    More Ninjas =/= Less Healers

    Ninja will not over-centralize the game and it's ridiculous to believe one job will have that many PH's coming in to make a noticeable different in wait-time.

    I'm not psychic but I know for sure most people who career heal or tank will not instantly receive a hard-on for Ninja and play it.

    At most, it will be FoM and everyone will have had their run with the new toy and go back to their mains.

    No need to over-speculate.
    This is exactly what I was trying to say to the other person who argued that adding another dps job would hurt the game which is why people are angry at others asking for a Thief job.

    Their comment is below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Because we already have more jobs than the game can even support.

    Raids = 8

    Current jobs = 9.. inc 10

    Already have 2 melee dps competing for 1 slot. Don't need more of it until they get their heads out of the clouds and expand raids
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  9. #619
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    I've been mulling it over and this is how it should be (I do believe I've said this before), tank healer addition => Dark Knight => Red Mage => back to any of jobs.
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  10. #620
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    Justina Suntail
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    what if the next 4 job are all dark aspected as a reference to the dark crystals in crystal tower? ninja would fit as one. if the gunner class is like the first boss of pharos that fits as well. then you get dark knight as a no brainer. then what else? perhaps something branch off thm that focuses on dark magic? dark holy anyone? pain? giga/dark flare?
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