I think it is time to admit the obvious - Echo is an insult to the average gamer.

[Nestama]

wether or not you do, using your ilevel as an argument is showing that you don't know what it is. a i100 can be more of an hindrance than a i80 sometimes

But I already stated I know the fight (I even mark the Moogles). Heck, I've been forced to solo heal Thornmarch as SCH because a WHM left for whatever reason (and I've seen a tank solo tank at 10% Echo buff. That time I didn't remove it because it would actually make things a little trickier for said tank, who was new to the fight as well).

[Kat_Manx]

This attitude is what makes players leave the game. You really don't want this. Players are not a doormat for this sort of behavior. At some point they really will take up the retort. Maybe not for WoW, but EQN, or other games not in the genre.

Because you pride yourself on hitting buttons.

I agree. A group of players with the "holier than thou" attitude who refuse to be nice or helpful and in general just complain about every single thing they can imagine will see more and more people left behind, and even leaving, until one day they will realize they are the only ones left, and that they can't do squat alone anymore.

Besides why is everyone who hasn't beat content a "n00b?" I wasn't a n00b because I didn't beat Titan EX. I just didn't find 7 other people that could do it with me.

"Go to practice parties then!" you will say. Well I did. Problem is if EVERYONE is new in a training party, it rarely made any progress, basically leading to people practicing the exact same part of the fight every time. If you got a tad more experienced player to help, progress actually happened. But then they tend to leave fast, because you know, n00bs.

[Kat_Manx]

I don't see Echo as an insult. I see it as a crutch. I've been in random groups for fights that aren't even hard and literally get twitchy eyes when I see "Oh! Guys! Let's die a lot so we get the Echo!" or "Don't worry about dying guys, you don't need to learn the fight, if we die a bunch it helps us cuz we can get the Echo."

I understand the advantages of Echo. When you don't have time to make a lot of friends and can only depend on the DF for fights, you risk getting people who do not know the fight, who are under geared for the fight, etc, and the Echo allows you to move on with the content you otherwise would have been stuck at because of bad luck with other people.

BUT

When people literally DEPEND on it, it gets annoying as heck. Specially when you get threatened to get kicked for not agreeing to wait for the Echo and just try to pass it without it...

That happens? Because it has never happened to me. It's just been an "Oh well, we died, but at least we got some Echo now". Not "Guys, please die on purpose so we get Echo."

[Itseotle]

[*]You still have to be challenged

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[Ikeda]

Besides why is everyone who hasn't beat content a "n00b?" I wasn't a n00b because I didn't beat Titan EX. I just didn't find 7 other people that could do it with me.

People don't call you a "n00b" for not completing content. They call you one if you're incapable or outright refuse to learn and improve yourself. The overly easy pre-50 content (and most lvl 50 content) and overemphasis on solo fast leveling is why there's so many "n00bs" at endgame.