Glamour & Need

[Ryel]

Sorry but this is the dumbest statement seeing as the person who needs it can do the same exact thing, and they needed it for the stats and for later glamour use. Come up with another one this has been said all through out the post. You act like the people who actually NEED the gear for progression won't use same said piece later for glamour. I got a lot of stuff from lower lvls I won when leveling up my other classes I use for glamour.

If you could answer a simple question, I'm honestly curious as to what makes you feel you're entitled to another player's time and effort to help you complete any given piece of content yet that player is not entitled to lot on gear on equal terms with you?

Regardless of ilvl or what gear you may have entered with you both completed the same dungeon/primal/raid/whatever at the time correct?

So let me get this straight... people have complained endlessly about long DPS queues, many of those people have refused to level tanks / healers and yet they take issue with tanks / healers lotting on gear for glamour when they don't want to go to the content on the tank / healer role to begin with?

Also people want help clearing content from complete strangers in Duty Finder, yet they also want those strangers to pass gear to them rather than rolling on it for glamour yet they took no issue with using that player's tanking ability / heals / DPS to complete the encounter that the gear dropped in?

While i agree it may be courteous (subjective from person to person) to pass something for a lower level / ilvl player to get a stat increase from it i fail to see how it should be expected / required and certainly not enforced.

[shrek]

Ok for the ones who say make your own PF group. That doesn't help anything because again there is nothing in the way to stop the person from still needing even if they don't need.

Have you tried it yet ? and then they ninja'ed your gear even after you set a rule ? do you think 90%+ people that will join planing to break the PFs rule and steal the gear? wtf just for ilvl 90 ? even 5 month ago when ilvl 90 still worth it. I rarely found people who will broke the PF rule (only found 2 report from my LS until now). mostly even got BL by some FC and LS.

[Gardthorne]

Why are there so many players who think that complete strangers are there to help them gear up their character? If you're not queueing with a premade don't complain that someone isn't willing to pass gear to you no matter what the reason is. If you can't deal with RNG not working out in your favor don't play with randoms.

[shrek]

Why are there so many players who think that complete strangers are there to help them gear up their character? If you're not queueing with a premade don't complain that someone isn't willing to pass gear to you no matter what the reason is. If you can't deal with RNG not working out in your favor don't play with randoms.

yeah so true

Ok for the ones who say make your own PF group. That doesn't help anything because again there is nothing in the way to stop the person from still needing even if they don't need. I do understand people would like glamour thats fine, but there is nothing to change my mind in thinking that glamour should be on a greed basis and not need. You don't NEED to glamour your gear, but you do NEED better gear in order to progress through the game. And no i do not feel entitled to anything if anything it seems a lot of you feel more entitled to take stuff you really won't need from someone who does it to progress through the game, and help later groups. Now you want to argue the fact that said person can use the item for months with glamour. Well so can the actual person who needs it so that argument is mute. What happened to people willing to help out those less fortunate then others. If a person actually needs the piece and is going to use the piece to further his progression then why take it away from him. Just so you can glamour it for aesthetic purposes that doesn't do anything to help the party. Our community seems to be going down hill, and for those of you who do things like that. All your doing is discouraging newer players, and making the community look worse. But the whole make a PF for it is the dumbest idea ever seeing as how there is nothing to stop a person from still needing it. Now maybe the ilvl system I came up with may not be a good idea, but I still think something should be done. And again no I do not feel entitled to anything, I honestly think doing something like that is morally wrong, and its not something I would do to another person. Not for something as silly as glamour that doesn't help or contribute to the party in any shape or form.

The world not only about sympathy to each other good sir. They are also sacrificing their time and maybe even sacrificing more thing than you. Yes peoples should help victims of natural disasters. But how about "random" people in the street should we give them our money just because they "need" more money to buy a car ? you will ? GL

[LunarEmerald]

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

If you want a good chance of obtaining loot for a class/role then play that class. You've got nobody but yourself to blame if something drops for a class you want but you aren't on that class.

And if you can't play that class because you aren't there yet then tough cookie.

[Tupsi]

Why are there so many players who think that complete strangers are there to help them gear up their character? If you're not queueing with a premade don't complain that someone isn't willing to pass gear to you no matter what the reason is. If you can't deal with RNG not working out in your favor don't play with randoms.

It's really not RNG people were commenting about. No one likes RNG in terms of loot. Some were referring to how you normally have people that need gear to actually use will end up losing it to people who have no actual use for it. FYI, those who say "alts", yeah that's greeding not needing. It's more like those that need when they have no actual use for it and those who say "y stat" over "x stat", I highly doubt a HM primal weapon will have better stats for you than your Rosen or Novus Bow.

[Tule]

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Then play that role. You don't deserve or need a drop you can't use on the class you completed the content with. At least not first priority. If that healer joins and get the dps into a q faster then good for him. He deserves that piece that was the entire reason he did the dungeon. The drop was a HEALER drop. The HEALER should get first priority as in that dungeon is filled out those requirements. He did the job that armor was made for in the dungeon that item drops in.

[Ryuukishi]

Some were referring to how you normally have people that need gear to actually use will end up losing it to people who have no actual use for it.

Who is the arbiter of what counts as "actual use"? You? No thanks.

[Tupsi]

Who is the arbiter of what counts as "actual use"? You? No thanks.

Common sense, I'd say. Then again, people say those who are capped out on everything for all roles that need gear purely for glamour has greater use for it, so I guess if you want an "arbiter", it would the ones that state glamour is a legitimate use

[ispano]

If that healer was a scholar, the allagan gloves might be better in their eyes. Scholar's love crit and daystar has none. High ilevel doesn't always mean better. A lot of soildery pieces are crap.

wat? While I wouldn't use Daystar Gloves for either healer, HA has less Spell Speed and gets Piety instead of DET, which helps with healing the longer fights. It's still better than Allagan. That crit secondary will not offset the gain from the mind boost.

Right........or it could be that people may want it for glamour, seals, retainers, to complete a set (plenty of completionists in this game..), and who knows what else. They have just as much right to the item as you.

I would agree with all of those except seals. Because seals don't care which job/role the item is for, so everyone "needs" that item for that purpose pretty much equally. Once the item stops being "Healer Gloves" or "Tank Belt" and so on, and is just a turn in for seals, your current role, or that of your retainer is no longer and in that situation alone I feel it is selfish to hit need over the others who worked hard with you to clear the content.