This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Eidolon]

Earnestly, I think a lot about this. I will -always- protect the new player, majority be damned - because I dont' feel we have the right to force them to skip cutscenes.

However, the only thing you could do is offer parties -extra- incentive for allowing new players to watch cutscenes. "One or more players is new to the duty. A bonus will be awarded upon completion" kinda deal. If they attatch a bonus of myth (Let's say, for funsies, double myth reward) to the new player (Not necessarily him watching cutscenes, but to him completing the dungeon), then people would be much more patient with that new player / less likely to kick them.

Issue is, this wouldn't stop people from trying to speed run. They -need- to just lock bosses behind a barrier while players are watching cutscenes. That purple mist-wall? Have it up until the Cutscene is completed. Upon completion, have it drop.

Not only does this mean that players watching cutscenes incencitize parties to allow them to (By giving a higher reward), but it ALSO prevents a-holes from just pulling bosses "Because we don't need a second healer / tank / or a dps"

[Duuude007]

Earnestly, I think a lot about this. I will -always- protect the new player, majority be damned - because I dont' feel we have the right to force them to skip cutscenes.

However, the only thing you could do is offer parties -extra- incentive for allowing new players to watch cutscenes. "One or more players is new to the duty. A bonus will be awarded upon completion" kinda deal. If they attatch a bonus of myth (Let's say, for funsies, double myth reward) to the new player (Not necessarily him watching cutscenes, but to him completing the dungeon), then people would be much more patient with that new player / less likely to kick them.

Issue is, this wouldn't stop people from trying to speed run. They -need- to just lock bosses behind a barrier while players are watching cutscenes. That purple mist-wall? Have it up until the Cutscene is completed. Upon completion, have it drop.

Not only does this mean that players watching cutscenes incencitize parties to allow them to (By giving a higher reward), but it ALSO prevents a-holes from just pulling bosses "Because we don't need a second healer / tank / or a dps"

Good luck with that. The moment it takes 2x longer (possibly more with your idea) to earn myth here than in bray, you lose pretty much all the vets.

Adding special restrictions to DF is, quite frankly, the worst possible idea for everyone involved.

[Cap75]

Tough.

-snip-

Lol. How many times are people going to tell people to report getting kicked for watching cutscenes when SE already stated that it is a valid reason to kick someone? It's been quoted like 20 times in this thread but people seem to not want to read more than the OP. The majority decides the pace and strategy. That's it.

[Charisma]

You can watch all your cutscenes again in your Inn room.

You need to understand that many people are doing The Praetorium as part of their dailies. They have already seen the cutscenes and want to get through the encounter. None of these people want to wait 10 minutes for you to watch cutscenes.

The problem isn't with players, it's with the developers. The penultimate storyline cutscenes shouldn't be taking place in the dungeons.

So you want to tell anyone, that when players cry if a dungeon takes 5 minutes longer, its the developers fault? no, not at all.

I did not watch the cutscenes, the first time i was in there, but nope, im not raging like a 5 yrs old kid if someone does.

[Noahlimits]

@OP, and anyone else in this kind of predicament: Take a screenshot of the characters in your group, especially if you get any that want to rush you along and tell you not to enjoy your game. Should they kick you, or complain about not letting you play, report them. You can find their server by doing a search on the lodestone, if necessary.

Since you don't like reading beyond the OP, from SE:

Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc).

[Eidolon]

Good luck with that. The moment it takes 2x longer (possibly more with your idea) to earn myth here than in bray, you lose pretty much all the vets.

Adding special restrictions to DF is, quite frankly, the worst possible idea for everyone involved.

Except the following:

1. I stated that it would be a restriction (While a cutscene is running)
2. The ones most likely to watch CS's are new players
3. I stated that you would get -double the myth- for a new player* (edited over 'for watching CS's)

It doesnt' make the run take 2x as long to watch all CS's. And even if it did, the trade-off is that you get double the myth at the end, thus giving yourself a break even or, in the more likely scenario - a net gain if you finish faster than it would take running 2 full Roulette runs.

[Kusanagi7]

Not that i care but you can tell in this thread who the decent players are & those who don't care about other players.

[OPneedNerfs]

Not that i care but you can tell in this thread who the decent players are & those who don't care about other players.

Funny how that statement works for both sides.

Majority wins = decent because they are willing to compromise depending on the party's ideals.

Or

Wait for the newbie because its their privilege.

Both sides are decent players who don't care for those in the other camp.

What's your point again?

[skaterger]

Right, and helping 'doesn't count' showing them how to survive nero or ultima. While heavily overgeared to help carry.

A newbie party would struggle to clear without vets, so don't tell me that they are more entitled when they depend on vets to actually clear it in 1 attempt.

Bad argument is bad.

Special restrictions have NO place in DF or roulette. Because of this, party expectations should be made at entrance, and if they want to be indifferent to the wants of the majority of the party and watch cs, fine. Go ahead. Don't expect vets to wait for them, however.

And what makes you think they want to be carried? I for one, can hold my own weight and thankfully never had to deal with this kind of crap when I did prae and castrum while levelling. On the contrary, if I had a bunch of i100s killing the boss so fast I can't even see their abilities in their entirety, that would majorly suck any enjoyment I would have.

These are level 50 dungeons, don't make it seem like these vets are god's gifts or indispensable to the party. A full i50 party might wipe a few times but the fights when you don't overgear them are actually pretty fun. Most of these players are in no rush to level unlike some lvl 50 players whose time seems so precious that they forget they were once in that very same position.

I never run main scenario roulette since its faster for me to do bf sr, and I don't agree with SE's stance on the matter but since there have made it clear there's nothing much else to say. I just feel sorry for some truly new players who are suddenly thrown into these types of situations abruptly when leveling before that was pretty much drama free.

[Velhart]

Lol. How many times are people going to tell people to report getting kicked for watching cutscenes when SE already stated that it is a valid reason to kick someone? It's been quoted like 20 times in this thread but people seem to not want to read more than the OP. The majority decides the pace and strategy. That's it.

Took it out of context and you know SE didn't mean it that way. If someone is abusing the system by intentionally leaving themselves in a cutscene to troll people, yes that is considered harassment and can be kicked for it, not just simply watching them. If you are kicked from a DF for just playing the game it was intended to be, that isn't right. You can justify a kick in that regard if you made a PF party and specified it was a speed run with no CS's. If the player agreed before to speed run and decided to watch the CS's anyways, that is justified also.