This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[LalaLeChat]

There will never be a perfect solution to suit everyone. Watching cut scenes or skipping cut scence are just different playing styles. If you use DF you are matched with random players so you won't always get the playing style you want. If your dead set to have it your way use PF and find like minded people, if you use DF or roulette be prepared to go with majority.
I've not completed the main story yet or reached level 50 but I use duty roulette for the extra bonus xp it gives for leveling faster and a lot of the runs didn't have any new players and everyone was skipping cut scenes. And also some new players aren't bothered about watching every cut scene. So I think making cut scenes unskippable when there is a new player is a bad idea and will just put people off playing that content. Taking away the reward will also put people off.
I'm grateful for runs (esp when it's my first) where I get a lot of veteran players in the party because a) it makes for a smooth and fast run and b) i can observe their strategy so learning the dungeon faster than having to figure it out by trail and error.
It would be nice to have a vote at the beginning of the dungeon whether to skip cut scenes and the majority vote will be implemented. So if the majority votes to skip no cut scenes will be played. If the majority votes to view cutscenes the group can only continue once everyone finished watching.

[Hik0]

the 80myth are a reward for HELPING people do their story dungeon.
You want to run the dungeon like you want and not how it was designed to be done (a story dungeon with CS is designed so people watch CS at least on their1st run ): you don't deserve the reward.

[Duuude007]

the 80myth are a reward for HELPING people do their story dungeon.
You want to run the dungeon like you want and not how it was designed to be done (a story dungeon with CS is designed so people watch CS at least on their1st run ): you don't deserve the reward.

Right, and helping 'doesn't count' showing them how to survive nero or ultima. While heavily overgeared to help carry.

A newbie party would struggle to clear without vets, so don't tell me that they are more entitled when they depend on vets to actually clear it in 1 attempt.

Bad argument is bad.

Special restrictions have NO place in DF or roulette. Because of this, party expectations should be made at entrance, and if they want to be indifferent to the wants of the majority of the party and watch cs, fine. Go ahead. Don't expect vets to wait for them, however.

[Cap75]

the 80myth are a reward for HELPING people do their story dungeon.
You want to run the dungeon like you want and not how it was designed to be done (a story dungeon with CS is designed so people watch CS at least on their1st run ): you don't deserve the reward.

No, it's not. DF was designed to make getting parties together quicker and Roulette was designed to put players where they are needed most. The reward is given so you have incentive to run whatever the game chooses to fill in needed slots so queues don't take forever. The story dungeons are separated because they were the only raids at that low level. SE has already said parties can kick people for watching cutscenes if they so desire.

[LalaLeChat]

I'm pretty sure I've had roulette runs where nobody was new to that particular dungeon. So it can't be designed purely to help new people get through the story line.

[pontiuspyrite]

If its one person watching cutscenes why do you need to kick them? I've never seen a cm/prae where you couldn't go with 7 people while one person is watching a cutscene, since most people are vastly overgeared. So why kick them at all?

[VesperValveto]

Then no one would ever do it and new players would never get the main story quests done.You never saw the post of someone waiting like 8 hours to try and do Westwind before 2.2 or whenever SE moved roulete groups around.

Then you've removed a Myth stream when there arguably aren't enough already and no one will ever run Main Story missions.

Exactly. Then people shouldn't get upset when 7 people in a grp who are only there to get the Myth won't wait for someone to watch the cutscenes. If people want to use the argument that "There are better places get Myth from" then by removing the Myth will ensure that anyone doing those Main Story missions will either be watching the cutscenes or willing to help out the players who need the clear.

[Mcshiggs]

If its one person watching cutscenes why do you need to kick them? I've never seen a cm/prae where you couldn't go with 7 people while one person is watching a cutscene, since most people are vastly overgeared. So why kick them at all?

Because they are cussing at you for going ahead with bosses while they are watching cutscenes.

[Duuude007]

Because they are cussing at you for going ahead with bosses while they are watching cutscenes.

This is unfortunately very true, and from what I can tell, common. Harassment is a double-edged sword. It's sometimes the vets at fault sure, but often its the one making said 'wait for me' demands.

[Themis]

You can watch all your cutscenes again in your Inn room.

You need to understand that many people are doing The Praetorium as part of their dailies. They have already seen the cutscenes and want to get through the encounter. None of these people want to wait 10 minutes for you to watch cutscenes.

The problem isn't with players, it's with the developers. The penultimate storyline cutscenes shouldn't be taking place in the dungeons.

Right now you are mad about people skipping cutscenes. You won't be when the tables are reversed, and you are running that dungeon for the 100th time and some guy is holding the entire raid up to watch an airship fall out of the sky, or watch the MagiTek armour do its R2D2 impression.

Tough.

This is something that needs to be sorted out. I like to do a Main Scenario roulette now and then, because I enjoy the content. I have no issues if a player wants to watch their cutscenes. In fact, when they do, I tend to watch them again myself.

It's a problem with the general player base (and just people in general) in the modern day to speed through everything and have it done yesterday. The point of the roulette is not only for players' Myth needs, but also to help those who are new and wanting to do the dungeon for the first time. New players should not have to go out of their way, either by forming premades or skipping the content, for the sake of others. But without that incentive - because players just aren't able to help others when they need it without some kind of reward for doing so - very few experienced players would be there to help the new guys through their final parts of the 2.0 storyline.

And no, watching the cutscenes in the Inn is not the same. You also miss out on the battles themselves when the veterans go off and just start battles. Unless everyone is on the same page, and happy to skip through it, there's no equal alternative.

It's sad. And I say this after doing many runs of this dungeon, for FC members and random people, and let them watch their cutscenes. If I didn't want to waste my time with the cutscenes, I would not do the duty. It's as simple as that.

But striking a balance where you aren't punishing either side is not so simple. Disable Vote Kick when someone is watching cutscenes leaves room for trolls to hold everyone up whilst they sit and don't progress through it. Reduce the reward and you get less veteran players joining meaning that new players will struggle to get through the content unless many other new players are also queueing. Vote Kick reducing final reward means that players get punished when they legitimately Kick someone from the party, which again opens up a bridge for trolls to hide under.

@OP, and anyone else in this kind of predicament: Take a screenshot of the characters in your group, especially if you get any that want to rush you along and tell you not to enjoy your game. Should they kick you, or complain about not letting you play, report them. You can find their server by doing a search on the lodestone, if necessary. Regardless of the length of time someone has been player, they do not get any automatic rights to push their own agendas onto others and ask them to stop enjoying the game because they want a fast 100 Myth.

Unfortunately, the best way to enjoy this without anyone being offended for their time being "wasted" (you're playing a game, you could be "curing cancer" or doing something more productive - you have time to spare) is to make a preformed party of friends or new players and enjoy it at your own pace. In fact, doing it with all new players, will give you the best enjoyment because you get to do the fights in their original glory - rather than some overgeared DPS just destroying it; that's not quite the same, either.