DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Skyl1n3]

False. Please don't spread lies.

So you're telling me there wont suddenly be PF's with "LF DPS, MUST HAVE 350+DPS, PROOF IS REQUIRED"?

You're telling me their wont be Pugs in which those who are pro-parsers gang up on 1 or 2 other players because their DPS isn't as good as theirs? Or poking fun at the fact that "lol I'm at 324 DPS, this MNK's only doing 295, get good!"

No, not end of discussion. The only thing you proved was a claim without evidences therefore adding nothing to discussion except more "parsers r the devilz".

I never said "parsers r the devilz" (and to be frank anyone who uses that grammar needs to be euthanised), I simply said Parsers will be abused more than they will be used for good, I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

[RinchanNau]

So it's better that we go in a PF and have to deal with i100 DPS players doing 100-140 DPS in a relatively easy fight like Levi ex? Maybe wipe a few times and the party is disbanded?

I'm not really sure that harassment would be a greater problem with a built in parser. Maybe. Maybe not. It could also inspire a lot of players to work on their rotations and optimizing their DPS for various fights. I think it'd be more positive than negative.

[LetBloodline]

So you're telling me there wont suddenly be PF's with "LF DPS, MUST HAVE 350+DPS, PROOF IS REQUIRED"?

If game will not allow you to share information but the "workaraound" can only be screenshots (on pc since on PS3 you can't do even that) asking fro screenshot of that parser is like parsing with 3th party apps, so passible of report. Plus DPS is not a static number like crit rate. Every time you enter a dungeon you get different result so what exactly are we talking about?

[NintenPyjak64]

I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

Let me ask you this one question: Let's say a party like that did show up, if you're confident with your numbers, then why not show them? To refuse will tell me that you probably know you're playing badly and don't want to improve.

Parsers are here for improvement. I used Recount in WoW countless times to see how I stand on my main and have only improved, even after I skipped to level 90 and became overwhelmed.

My final note: The most common theme I'm seeing in these entire forums is that parsers will make the community worse. How will a TOOL make the community worse? To blame a TOOL is like blaming a GUN for killing people. Guns don't kill people, the person USING the gun (for malicious intent) kills people. I'm all for adding parsers for self improvement, and if you see somebody being a D-bag about it, Report it and move on.

[Skyl1n3]

Let me ask you this one question: Let's say a party like that did show up, if you're confident with your numbers, then why not show them? To refuse will tell me that you probably know you're playing badly and don't want to improve.

I am confident with my DPS, I'm constantly topping my Raid groups because a couple of them have parsers and gives everyone in the party a read out at the end of how each person did sometimes, if their was one that DID stick out then at most we'd just talk about it and try to improve their performance.

As I said before, I'd want a training dummy at my FC's house to get your own DPS numbers from it and share them with my FC to see who's doing well to go on static Raids and whether or not some people can improve it.

Also anyone that keeps saying "if you don't want to show your numbers then you're obviously scared of showing how bad you are", is just an elitist viewpoint IMO.

[Dwill]

I never said "parsers r the devilz" (and to be frank anyone who uses that grammar needs to be euthanised), I simply said Parsers will be abused more than they will be used for good, I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

[ParadiseCircus]

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

Dwill you have to understand that many things involve this kind of decision which are not only related to harassment or any in-game consequence, SE reputation is still recovering, saying that many games use it & it's fine to them means nothing, you're talking about completely different games & companies, it's stupid to think just because others have it's going to work for SE.... Every step they take they will take it carefully since we are talking about keeping subscribers, parser bad reputation already built, even if they implement it in game most people still will dislike it.

[Dwill]

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You're just rehashing the same thing. Parsers are already built for the game, we're just unable to even mention them. People's ignorance and fear of parsers is not a valid argument to prevent the use of such a tool.

Honestly, I really don't think there is going to be a mass exodus from people if Square-Enix enables parsers and I highly doubt it will affect their reputation. I mean, think about it for a second ? That makes no sense whatsoever. Parsers serves the same purposes no matter the game, multiple game runs on the same one (ACT) and it works wonder. Square-Enix can easily pull it off.

Seriously, that whole anti-parser thing reeks so much of technophobia and ignorance.

[ParadiseCircus]

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So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

[Dwill]

So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

The main argument of the ignorant is that people will be harassed, from which I've asked multiple people to provide sources or arguments proving their points. None of them can give me anything outside of sweeping generalization and anecdotal evidence.

Pro-parsers have valid arguments that parsers have been huge with great success in previous games and helped in the game's developement.
Anti-parsers are fear mongering the issue without any argument whatsoever.