DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Dwill]

I never said "parsers r the devilz" (and to be frank anyone who uses that grammar needs to be euthanised), I simply said Parsers will be abused more than they will be used for good, I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

[ParadiseCircus]

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

Dwill you have to understand that many things involve this kind of decision which are not only related to harassment or any in-game consequence, SE reputation is still recovering, saying that many games use it & it's fine to them means nothing, you're talking about completely different games & companies, it's stupid to think just because others have it's going to work for SE.... Every step they take they will take it carefully since we are talking about keeping subscribers, parser bad reputation already built, even if they implement it in game most people still will dislike it.

[Dwill]

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You're just rehashing the same thing. Parsers are already built for the game, we're just unable to even mention them. People's ignorance and fear of parsers is not a valid argument to prevent the use of such a tool.

Honestly, I really don't think there is going to be a mass exodus from people if Square-Enix enables parsers and I highly doubt it will affect their reputation. I mean, think about it for a second ? That makes no sense whatsoever. Parsers serves the same purposes no matter the game, multiple game runs on the same one (ACT) and it works wonder. Square-Enix can easily pull it off.

Seriously, that whole anti-parser thing reeks so much of technophobia and ignorance.

[ParadiseCircus]

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So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

[Dwill]

So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

The main argument of the ignorant is that people will be harassed, from which I've asked multiple people to provide sources or arguments proving their points. None of them can give me anything outside of sweeping generalization and anecdotal evidence.

Pro-parsers have valid arguments that parsers have been huge with great success in previous games and helped in the game's developement.
Anti-parsers are fear mongering the issue without any argument whatsoever.

[ParadiseCircus]

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Pro-parsers are confusing what is called development parsers with a end user parser, every game in development needs to have a way to test the damage you're a doing to X target so they can actually see if it's "killable" which also involves time & position, but that doesn't mean they have to give to the end game user a meter for it... as long as their numbers work they don't need to.

You're asking for valid proof of those who are against it so let me ask u then for more than 1 example of where a end user parser (or player) was needed or was crucial to improve PvE of a mmo game, not beta/alpha games we are talking about a end product here.

There're many experiences out there were people was kicked, bullied or banned from groups/fc because of parsers, that's where all bad rep comes from, it causes a toxic environment but if u want screenshots, chat logs & other stuff well that is just ridiculous so that's why I'm asking you for the same proof.

[LetBloodline]

You're asking for valid proof of those who are against it so let me ask u then for more than 1 example of where a end user parser (or player) was needed or was crucial to improve PvE of a mmo game, not beta/alpha games we are talking about a end product here.

Every game where you need to test rotation, in wich you need to test different items with different stats, in wich player want to give their best and be able to check how they are doing. Pretty much every MMO out there

[Ashkendor]

Anti-parsers are fear mongering the issue without any argument whatsoever.

Honestly, I'm not anti-parser at all and what I posted about people using it to harass others wasn't any kind of fear mongering or evidence of anything in particular.. It was merely meant to illustrate what I myself believe *could* be SE's thought process behind not implementing this themselves. The game has a wide appeal to both casual and hardcore players, so from a business standpoint they're going to tend to do what alienates the least amount of people - in this case, that seems to be not implementing a parser. *shrugs*

I personally don't care either way. I'm a paladin. I *know* my DPS sucks. :3