DPS meters and why they're necessary

[NintenPyjak64]

I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

Let me ask you this one question: Let's say a party like that did show up, if you're confident with your numbers, then why not show them? To refuse will tell me that you probably know you're playing badly and don't want to improve.

Parsers are here for improvement. I used Recount in WoW countless times to see how I stand on my main and have only improved, even after I skipped to level 90 and became overwhelmed.

My final note: The most common theme I'm seeing in these entire forums is that parsers will make the community worse. How will a TOOL make the community worse? To blame a TOOL is like blaming a GUN for killing people. Guns don't kill people, the person USING the gun (for malicious intent) kills people. I'm all for adding parsers for self improvement, and if you see somebody being a D-bag about it, Report it and move on.

[Dwill]

I never said "parsers r the devilz" (and to be frank anyone who uses that grammar needs to be euthanised), I simply said Parsers will be abused more than they will be used for good, I don't mind a personal parser only seen by each player but then it'll still incite others to say "what's your DPS?" If you try to join say a SCoB Pug group who're formed mainly of an FC.

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

[ParadiseCircus]

Honestly, just read the post above mine. It says anything that needs to be said about this topic.

I've said it countless and it needs to be said again, people are blowing the getting harassed issue way out proportion. No one has any valid proof that this will change the community for the worse except baseless anecdotal evidence.

Dwill you have to understand that many things involve this kind of decision which are not only related to harassment or any in-game consequence, SE reputation is still recovering, saying that many games use it & it's fine to them means nothing, you're talking about completely different games & companies, it's stupid to think just because others have it's going to work for SE.... Every step they take they will take it carefully since we are talking about keeping subscribers, parser bad reputation already built, even if they implement it in game most people still will dislike it.

[Dwill]

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You're just rehashing the same thing. Parsers are already built for the game, we're just unable to even mention them. People's ignorance and fear of parsers is not a valid argument to prevent the use of such a tool.

Honestly, I really don't think there is going to be a mass exodus from people if Square-Enix enables parsers and I highly doubt it will affect their reputation. I mean, think about it for a second ? That makes no sense whatsoever. Parsers serves the same purposes no matter the game, multiple game runs on the same one (ACT) and it works wonder. Square-Enix can easily pull it off.

Seriously, that whole anti-parser thing reeks so much of technophobia and ignorance.

[ParadiseCircus]

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So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

[Dwill]

So you think they're gonna risk it because you think they won't have a massive exodus or they rep won't be affected? This involves many business/coummnity factors, you keep excluding those who are afraid of parsers like their arguments didn't matter, it would be really idiotic for SE to do that, they have to look for both sides, those who are ignorant & those who are informed.

The main argument of the ignorant is that people will be harassed, from which I've asked multiple people to provide sources or arguments proving their points. None of them can give me anything outside of sweeping generalization and anecdotal evidence.

Pro-parsers have valid arguments that parsers have been huge with great success in previous games and helped in the game's developement.
Anti-parsers are fear mongering the issue without any argument whatsoever.

[Valmar]

Considering there is an iLvl requirement to join end game battles, unless the DPS has awesome armor and accessories, but has a lv 30 weapon, then DPS is not the excuse. SE has ensured that if the party has the required iLVl to join the queue, then you CAN win the fight.

Try working with each other, watch one another, give tips, take tips gracefully and win the fight.

Crystal Tower is ilvl55.

Show me a group in full ilvl55 of avarage skill level players than can clear it in the time limit. Call me Sally and Mark me Impressed.

[ParadiseCircus]

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Pro-parsers are confusing what is called development parsers with a end user parser, every game in development needs to have a way to test the damage you're a doing to X target so they can actually see if it's "killable" which also involves time & position, but that doesn't mean they have to give to the end game user a meter for it... as long as their numbers work they don't need to.

You're asking for valid proof of those who are against it so let me ask u then for more than 1 example of where a end user parser (or player) was needed or was crucial to improve PvE of a mmo game, not beta/alpha games we are talking about a end product here.

There're many experiences out there were people was kicked, bullied or banned from groups/fc because of parsers, that's where all bad rep comes from, it causes a toxic environment but if u want screenshots, chat logs & other stuff well that is just ridiculous so that's why I'm asking you for the same proof.

[Exstal]

It's already been said a lot.

Scenario A) DPS isn't up to snuff, no one knows who is unable to pull their weight. Entire party disbands (I had that happen in Titan HM on my alt).
Scenario B) A sole DPS is not pulling the right numbers. Leader says, "back out". Kicks the weak DPS without letting him know.
Scenario C) A sole DPS is not pulling the right numbers. Leader says, "Yo, DPS B, can you pull your DPS up, you're doing pretty poorly." Either DPS B does so, or it happens to go to scenario B.

I had scenario C in my raid group but the raid leader let DPS B stay for 3 more weeks in hopes that he would bring his DPS up. He didn't, so we kicked him from the static. If you're going drag your raid team down, and then after being confronted on it, still don't change your ways, you're a detriment to the group.

[Buklohn]

People who are against DPS meters are forgetting that the most important thing about a DPS meter is as a DPS you want to maximize your damage to the fullest and this is exactly what a DPS meter will help you do. I actually had someone use a parser on my DPS to check it out and i actually found out that i was pretty low, so it motivated me to revamp my rotation and perform better damage output before. I went from an average of 280 DPS to 400 DPS, I didn't get mad that someone had told me my DPS was low, but rather actually thankful because now i can improve my damage output to it's fullest.

People need to stop saying this is wrong and negative and helps no one. Yet the people who are against it are the very people who complain on the forums about the x amount of bad players and DPS. DPS meters can help DPS perform better because lets face it, no DPS wants to suck at damage as much as a tank wants to suck at tanking or a healer at healing.