NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[LoLo]

If possible someone who is willing to engage in actual conversation explain what the dex trait datamine information mean when it comes to additional classes possibly being branched off from Rogue?

Legend no I am saying:

That interview can be interpreted any way to support any argument because it was:
1. vague.
2. had to be translated LIVE and things can be lost in translation.
3. Didn't make any logical sense because there are Pirates, prostitutes, and killers roaming around with permits to do things that make stealing look like child's play and would be socially acceptable in Limsa just by paying attention to the CS for the main storyline.
(this is my person take on the interview, if you think differently, good job)

I'll wait for more information to be release.

A good example of what makes me think that is the fact that there used to be a user on this forums that did live translations. After he did the live translations he would revised the translation because some information was missed while translating live. Its totally possible that things were missed or that a better word describing what Yoshi P said could have been used to better understand what he means.

Also from that same interview if we want to go word from word. It said that Rogues EVOLVED from Thieves. Not Rogues are Thieves.

[Gilraen]

It said that Rogues EVOLVED from Thieves. Not Rogues are Thieves.

Seeing as we're arguing semantics now, you do realize that the bolded part suggests rogues are better than thieves as that's how evolution works. Why would a Job be worse than the class it's based on? Just saying.

[Velhart]

Seeing as we're arguing semantics now, you do realize that the bolded part suggests rogues are better than thieves as that's how evolution works. Why would a Job be worse than the class it's based on? Just saying.

What I got from it was that the abilities rogues have derive from days when they were thieves/bandits. While they stopped committing crimes, they still use their skills in the benefit of the guild/nation they represent, as such the Rogue. Its always possible that Thief can be a job in the future where they go back to the days of fighting dirty or some secret techniques that were forgotten over the years when they transitioned to Rogue. Don't know, the lore team seems pretty clever at fitting anything in.

[LoLo]

Seeing as we're arguing semantics now, you do realize that the bolded part suggests rogues are better than thieves as that's how evolution works. Why would a Job be worse than the class it's based on? Just saying.

Actually no, Archers used to be Bards but now that type of combat is pretty much gone until you find a old Bard who decides to teach you the way of the Bard. PUGs used to know the way of the Monks. You can say the same about all of the current jobs. No where is it said that a Thief is worse than a Rogue lol. But I think at this point telling you this is pointless.

[Malakhim]

Actually no, Archers used to be Bards but now that type of combat is pretty much gone until you find a old Bard who decides to teach you the way of the Bard. PUGs used to know the way of the Monks. You can say the same about all of the current jobs. No where is it said that a Thief is worse than a Rogue lol. But I think at this point telling you this is pointless.

Pugilists didn't know the way of the monks. If anything can be established about pugilists, it's that they are prize fist-fighters. Monks are an order of warriors out of Ala Mihgo. There's no implication of "lost art" there. I haven't gotten far enough in BRD to say the same thing, but by and large, the "lost art" premise is hardly used on many of the jobs.

Furthermore, I don't know what you're getting at that "Thief is/isn't better than Rogue". All Yoshida said was that various thieves came together and for whatever reason decided to abandon the name and form a Rogue's Guild. Again, all that establishes is that very point. There's nothing that says Thief won't happen as a job, and there's nothing that says it will. You're making mountains out of molehills that you haven't even seen yet. Honestly, I would wait until a month or so before 2.4 is out and we have more information to really congratulate/condemn Rogue and Ninja.

[LoLo]

Monk is a lost Art because the Monk that teaches you is one of the few remaining Monks.

Ala Mhigo's Monk temple was burned down by Theodoric, killing trainees, devotees, elders, and even homeless. Very few survived.

The same for BRD in being a lost art not normally practiced.

I said Thief is not worse than Rogue because the person I quoted said that Thief is a downgrade to Rogue. Please read the whole conversation before replying.

[Malakhim]

Monk is a lost Art because the Monk that teaches you is one of the few remaining Monks...

But they aren't a "lost art" of the Pugilists as you posted earlier. The Pugilists guild in Ul'dah have next to nothing in common with the Monks of Ala Mihgo.

I said Thief is not worse than Rogue because the person I quoted said that Thief is a downgrade to Rogue. Please read the whole conversation before replying.

That person's quote was a direct response to your arguing of relatively unimportant semantic differences(incidentally, you misinterpreted his point, by the way). I guess respect points for consistency, but really, that bullish tone of yours still isn't going to be doing you any favors.

[LoLo]

But they aren't a "lost art" of the Pugilists as you posted earlier. The Pugilists guild in Ul'dah have next to nothing in common with the Monks of Ala Mihgo.



That person's quote was a direct response to your arguing of relatively unimportant semantic differences(incidentally, you misinterpreted his point, by the way). I guess respect points for consistency, but really, that bullish tone of yours still isn't going to be doing you any favors.

I said "Monk is a lost art". I'm pretty sure they do have much in common because how else did you get the start of the Monk quests. Why would Professor Erik commission a Pug to be his body guard when before his last body guard was Monk if Pug and much didn't have much in common. It's clear that he wants to use the pugs in Uldah to help him on his research because they are linked with Monk in some shape or form.

I replied to the quote if you can't understand that someone brings up a thought, and I reply to it doesn't mean that I believe Thief is worse or better than Rogue. But the way that classes and jobs work, jobs are better than classes.

Using the word evolved instead of saying that Thief and Rogue are one and the same is worth considering. Maybe you do not believe that to be. But as of this moment it is still unclear as to if there are no plans for a Thief Job in this game. Why are you becoming angry at me for bringing up actual information instead of assumptions that people have been throwing around in here?

[Viridiana]

Actually no, Archers used to be Bards but now that type of combat is pretty much gone until you find a old Bard who decides to teach you the way of the Bard.

That's. . .not how the game describes it at all. A subset of Archers, experiencing the horrors of war, turned to song to ease their turmoil and strengthen their allies. After the war, some of them became wandering minstrels, eventually stripping their songs of all their truth and power. The Moogles, fearing the loss of the true power of song among mankind, labored to save the Souls of the Bards to be entrusted to those they deemed worthy.

But, then, I don't know why I'm telling you this, since you have me blocked for some reason. . .