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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    I have all Jobs level 50.... To bad Buffs don't carry over when you switch jobs.
    So...recast? You're going to have to cast with a scroll anyway. I mean hell, buffs and stances drop when you sync down as well and I would rather they fixed that rather than trying to fix an issue which isn't actually an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneus View Post
    So...recast? You're going to have to cast with a scroll anyway. I mean hell, buffs and stances drop when you sync down as well and I would rather they fixed that rather than trying to fix an issue which isn't actually an issue.
    And if you're not a job that has access to protect? Like, most of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneus View Post
    So...recast? You're going to have to cast with a scroll anyway. I mean hell, buffs and stances drop when you sync down as well and I would rather they fixed that rather than trying to fix an issue which isn't actually an issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Either that or let us keep buff when we change Jobs?
    I never said it was an issue. I can manage just fine I just don't like having to bother other players to invite me for a protect. I don't think it is a big request to have Protect Scrolls sold at the GC vendor, FFXI have protect/shell/reraise scrolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    I never said it was an issue. I can manage just fine I just don't like having to bother other players to invite me for a protect. I don't think it is a big request to have Protect Scrolls sold at the GC vendor, FFXI have protect/shell/reraise scrolls.
    That's not the point we're making. The point is; why are you, with all classes and jobs unlocked, unable to cast protect on yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneus View Post
    That's not the point we're making. The point is; why are you, with all classes and jobs unlocked, unable to cast protect on yourself?
    Why? Because the Job I use cannot use Protect. Is that a Design flaw? No, It's because MNK cannot use CNJ abilities, Which is perfectly fine. I already posted in the OP
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Either that or let us keep buff when we change Jobs?
    Will SE let us keep buff when we change jobs? Probably not, But I assume it would be far easier to add a Protect Scroll than to keep buff when changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneus View Post
    That's not the point we're making. The point is; why are you, with all classes and jobs unlocked, unable to cast protect on yourself?
    Read.

    If you switch to Conjurer, cast Protect, and then switch to another class, THE PROTECT BUFF WEARS OFF.

    You can't use it as a cross class skill BECAUSE NOT ALL CLASSES CAN USE PROTECT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryihito View Post
    Read.

    If you switch to Conjurer, cast Protect, and then switch to another class, THE PROTECT BUFF WEARS OFF.

    You can't use it as a cross class skill BECAUSE NOT ALL CLASSES CAN USE PROTECT.
    Overlooked that sorry.

    But since we're talking about damage mitigation, Monks have a stance for that don't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baneus View Post
    But since we're talking about damage mitigation, Monks have a stance for that don't they?
    Here's the thing, when you switch to Fists of Earth and gain a damage reduction you lose your increased ability to deal damage with Fists of Fire. The end result is you take less damage but the mob you're fighting takes longer to kill which generally results in you being at a similar level of health when you kill your target anyway.

    While both stances have their uses there's really little point in using Fists of Earth solo unless you're fighting multiple opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard View Post
    Here's the thing, when you switch to Fists of Earth and gain a damage reduction you lose your increased ability to deal damage with Fists of Fire. The end result is you take less damage but the mob you're fighting takes longer to kill which generally results in you being at a similar level of health when you kill your target anyway.

    While both stances have their uses there's really little point in using Fists of Earth solo unless you're fighting multiple opponents.
    Just switch between the 2 stances. If you see your enemy start a high-damage attack, switch to Fist of Earth and then back to Fist of Fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryihito View Post
    Read.

    If you switch to Conjurer, cast Protect, and then switch to another class, THE PROTECT BUFF WEARS OFF.

    You can't use it as a cross class skill BECAUSE NOT ALL CLASSES JOBS CAN USE PROTECT.
    fixed it a bit, because all classes can use protect

    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    Protect is a 15% increase to defense (+mdef with trait), which translates to about 4-5% mitigation at best, and that's for a tank, it's even less for other jobs. It's less powerful than Foresight is for a Warrior.
    Fist of Earth should be then more usefull for MNK than protect .
    Reduces damage taken by 10%.
    It reduce the damage instead to increase the defense.
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-19-2014 at 07:05 PM.