Story falls apart at the end...

[ispano]

How many more times? There is NEITHER a right to watch cutscenes (if there was, good luck finding anyone to do castrum...) NOR is there a right to speedrun. There are dozens of threads about that now. Please use the search function, this has figuratively been debated a hundred times over.

Actually, technically there is a right to watch them. That's sort of the point of them being there in the first place and having to intentionally opt out of them.

[stupiddog]

Actually, technically there is a right to watch them. That's sort of the point of them being there in the first place and having to intentionally opt out of them.

It would really have been nice if you actually read some of the threads so far, all threads end more or less like this:

- Yes, it would be nice if all first-timers would be able to experience the two Castrums the way they were designed.
- But since SE decided to scatter the cutscenes throughout the dungeon (sometimes they even pop up during fights!) and because Castrum is an important part of DR if you want Animus, I can understand players who do NOT want to view them the 200th/300th/400th time very well.
- If viewing cutscenes and/or waiting for players to view them would be ENFORCED technically or by the GMs, Castrum would turn into ghost towns almost instantly. Players would do them once, and never again since there would be far more efficient ways of farming myths. This is NOT what you want. You would get a situation where waiting for Castrum for 4-6 hours as a DPS will feel like a GOOD day.
- The only way this mess could be sorted out is to change the cutscenes so there is only one large, continuous cutscene after defeating the final boss. Myth farmers could simply walk out of the dungeon, and first-timers could enjoy without pressure. This solution can only be implemented by SE, obviously.
- The best (but far from optimal) compromise that is available now is to let first-timers view the CS immediately if they want to and do not kick them, whilst the other players go ahead and trash the bosses. Since 99,9% of parties in Castrum are ridiculously overgeared, getting it done with 2, 1, or maybe no DPS at all is a viable option.

[ispano]

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I read the whole thread, please don't assume I didn't because you misunderstood what I said.

First, they cannot be skipped by default on the first viewing, ie you cannot use the option in settings to skip the first time viewing of a cutscene, it will only skip one you have viewed(even if you manually skip it) previously. Second, it plays automatically, you have to WILLINGLY choose to skip it that first time. This tells you they were intended to be watched, and every player has the right to watch them. I never mentioned forcing them, but that doesn't mean players don't have a right to the experience that SE put there for that very purpose.

[stupiddog]

Second, it plays automatically, you have to WILLINGLY choose to skip it that first time. This tells you they were intended to be watched, and every player has the right to watch them. I never mentioned forcing them, but that doesn't mean players don't have a right to the experience that SE put there for that very purpose.

This is essentially what the "bad comprimise" that I mentioned as the last of my points is about. I agree with you that other players may not force first-timers to skip them (and kicking in this case is an open-end-shut case of unwarranted kicking, the GMs probably decide very quickly in favour of the first-timers).

HOWEVER, the other way around, if you derive from that the other players must wait for the first-timers to finish watching CS before engaging with a boss - sorry, your arguments do not support that. This is what I meant with "there is neither a right to CS nor the right to speed-run". You get to watch the CS -> fine, but you will get left behind, no hard feelings. You skip the CS -> you can participate in the fights.

[ispano]

This is essentially what the "bad comprimise" that I mentioned as the last of my points is about. I agree with you that other players may not force first-timers to skip them (and kicking in this case is an open-end-shut case of unwarranted kicking, the GMs probably decide very quickly in favour of the first-timers).

HOWEVER, the other way around, if you derive from that the other players must wait for the first-timers to finish watching CS before engaging with a boss - sorry, your arguments do not support that. This is what I meant with "there is neither a right to CS nor the right to speed-run". You get to watch the CS -> fine, but you will get left behind, no hard feelings. You skip the CS -> you can participate in the fights.

Actually the people who want to Speed run, can just go elsewhere for their tomes. There's better ways anyhow. The roulette is not there for them to do as they please. It's there to get them into those instances to HELP the new people. Which is why you cannot queue for most roulettes as a group. I know I haven't done either of the two in over 4 months. Though I do like Praetorium for the music and such.

[stupiddog]

I know I haven't done either of the two in over 4 months. Though I do like Praetorium for the music and such.

And this is exactly why the first-timers would be served worse than with the current situation:

- In the current situation, you get a sub-optimal experience, but you can complete the dungeon, see the bosses and the videos, but most often not in the same run.
- In the second scenario, players will wait for extreme long periods just to get into the dungeons. When Yoshi decided to give a (quite generous) bonus of 100 myths for Castrum, he probably had that in mind. It is similar to the Atma quest - almost everybody HATES it, but imaging the situation if it was not for it.

I appreciate your intention to help first-timers, but I think you seriously over-estimate the number of "good smaritans" on an average server.

[ispano]

I appreciate your intention to help first-timers, but I think you seriously over-estimate the number of "good smaritans" on an average server.

Uh, no I don't. I know the majority of people want to speed run it and don't care about people wanting to watch cutscenes. That doesn't make them RIGHT however, which has been my whole point. It also means that these people don't have a right to try and ruin someone's first time through because they want to speed run.

You keep looking at it as a problem with the dungeons and cutscenes themselves. No, it's a problem with the player base. I'm not offering a fix, because you can't change some of these people. That still doesn't make them right.

[LunarEmerald]

Remove the speed runners and queue times become very bad. They're the ones letting queue quickly. So it's either deal with speed runners or wait hours on your queue. Pick your poison.

[Mogi]

Maybe down the road SE will fix this {some how} but for now this is how the sad story works i can only say 1 do it with ppl you know or just ignore the ppl rushing and let them rush {you don't need to kill the bosses for exp anyway} and your going to be doing this run for a very long time so you will end up mastering it. But yes at times this game can be bad for new players

[Gerolan]

Actually, technically there is a right to watch them. That's sort of the point of them being there in the first place and having to intentionally opt out of them.

This, cutscenes are not an optional paid service, so those saying their is no right, get over yourselves.