NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[LoLo]

I don't even address people that repeat the same thing over and over again. Why are they so dead set on shutting down even the thought of having a Thief Job in this game? Do they like telling people they can't ask for stuff? Do they even have the authority to say these things?

If I want to play a Clown Job I have the right to ask for it. Now lets see how many people will come at me if I ask for that. None because they will think I am not even serious, but what if I am? Let me live lol.

[silentwindfr]

I don't even address people that repeat the same thing over and over again. Why are they so dead set on shutting down even the thought of having a Thief Job in this game? Do they like telling people they can't ask for stuff? Do they even have the authority to say these things?

If I want to play a Clown Job I have the right to ask for it. Now lets see how many people will come at me if I ask for that. None because they will think I am not even serious, but what if I am? Let me live lol.

exept yoshida himself have already say: rogue are repents thief! and that no thief will be added... you are the people asking for something that will never happend. move over it now...

I already made a post on this a few pages back. Rogue could become Thief in exactly the same way Thaumaturge becomes Black Mage. Black Mage is also a forbidden job and you are technically breaking the law and treading the grey area between good and evil by touching black magic... If it can happen there why can't a Rogue rediscover the abilities they gave up to comply with the law?

I've said it a bunch of times before and I'll say it again: GUILDS have to comply with the law as they are a part of the city, JOBS do not as the player is (in the lore) usually one of only a handful in existence.

and one more time, it's different, thief will not explore dark magic forbidden and such... but steal people stuff! when a lot of people in Eorzea are struggling for survive! tell me what message it bring? you can steal from people that are already poor? or you plan to steal the rich of uldah? wake up, we are heroes! thief are not heroes in eorzea! they are bastard that steal people stuff! (and sometimes life) that the lore of the game... you want they change it for make you feel better, when they have already place a class they have themself called thief while the E3. (well the translator)

finally, with the rogue class, what will bring the thief? by the twelves! we already did tell you that thief have almost no iconic skill that can be used in FF14.... but you don't listen! you only say... but in FF11 it was... and we are not in FF11! all the complain can only do one thing... make the rogue change name for thief! but don't hope for a jobs thief! simply because Yoshida have always said, they will never add 2 jobs that fit the same role from one class. for make simple, since ninja is dps, thief can't be added! (since it will be dps, and support don't really exist)

[Malakhim]

The only way we'll ever find out whether or not THF might happen is probably after looking at the ability list of rogue once it comes out. If there's enough overlap with the "traditional" idea of THF, then chances are it won't happen.

Otherwise, Yoshida strictly answered the question as to why the order is called Rogue instead of thief, but he never said anything outside of that.

Either way, as a person who believes in artistic and creative freedom, I don't really care, since I'll be maining both Rogue and Ninja when they arrive and love every minute of it.

[LoLo]

The only way we'll ever find out whether or not THF might happen is probably after looking at the ability list of rogue once it comes out. If there's enough overlap with the "traditional" idea of THF, then chances are it won't happen.

Otherwise, Yoshida strictly answered the question as to why the order is called Rogue instead of thief, but he never said anything outside of that.

Either way, as a person who believes in artistic and creative freedom, I don't really care, since I'll be maining both Rogue and Ninja when they arrive and love every minute of it.

Why are you going to main a Rogue which is a class? People main jobs.

[Malakhim]

Why are you going to main a Rogue which is a class? People main jobs.

Are you playing a Warrior or Paladin? Congratulations. You're also playing Marauder and Gladiator respectively.

Seriously, are you so high strung over this? What's in a name anyway? If Rogue does exactly the same things that a Thief does, what does it matter?

[LoLo]

Are you playing a Warrior or Paladin? Congratulations. You're also playing Marauder and Gladiator respectively.

Seriously, are you so high strung over this? What's in a name anyway? If Rogue does exactly the same things that a Thief does, what does it matter?

Sounds like you do not understand the games mechanics.

[Malakhim]

Sounds like you do not understand the games mechanics.

I do, and I also understand that you're confusing the issue for reasons that don't seem anything more than petty. The distinction of "Rogue" and "Thief" are a non-issue. Rogue has been the defacto classification for Thief across many RPGs and MMOs. As I already mentioned, there really is no reason to cry foul until we actually see with our own eyes what the class can do and whether we need an additional "Thief" skill set as a job or not. Hell, I even included a provision in my first post on this page that they could easily include a THF job under whatever pretext the lore writers want. Yoshida only answered why there's a "Rogue" as opposed to a "Thief" guild in cities as is.

My issue with your stance, and to be fair, the stance of many other players, is that you seem to reject the idea of letting the developers explore the different ways they can branch out of the norm to create something fresh and interesting, before even seeing what they are or aren't doing. Screaming bloody murder that we need a thief job because you need it for whatever reason is asinine and unfair.

[LoLo]

I do, and I also understand that you're confusing the issue for reasons that don't seem anything more than petty. The distinction of "Rogue" and "Thief" are a non-issue. Rogue has been the defacto classification for Thief across many RPGs and MMOs.As I already mentioned, there really is no reason to cry foul until we actually see with our own eyes what the class can do and whether we need an additional "Thief" skill set as a job or not. Hell, I even included a provision in my first post on this page that they could easily include a THF job under whatever pretext the lore writers want. Yoshida only answered why there's a "Rogue" as opposed to a "Thief" guild in cities as is.

My issue with your stance, and to be fair, the stance of many other players, is that you seem to reject the idea of letting the developers explore the different ways they can branch out of the norm to create something fresh and interesting, before even seeing what they are or aren't doing. Screaming bloody murder that we need a thief job because you need it for whatever reason is asinine and unfair.

I will say this one time to you. People want to play a Thief JOB. There is no possible way you can show up to a party in end game as a class and not piss people off. If you want to take that chance that is your business but to expect everyone else to think like you is silly.

Other RPG's follow behind the Final Fantasy series. Why would Final Fantasy now replace their iconic job with a class named Rogue? That just seems very off and incorrect. It's because of other MMO's that this game is casual, boring, and has no open world content. I'm one of the few who hate duty finder.

[Deusteele]

Because, as much as it is your privilege to argue for the inclusion of Thief, it is our privilege to argue against it. Many of us arguing against THF are doing so on the grounds that a Thief job cannot play separate enough from a Ninja when branching off of the same class. This is in addition to the resistance against giving a DoW a possible unique material gain advantage.

Now personally, I would be just as adamant against NIN if THF were to be the job coming from Rogue due to the same argument of not needing multiple damage dealing jobs coming from the same class.

Part of the argument against may also be a plea to Yoshida's team to limit the job bloat that Tanaka and Matsuno brought to the series. Few jobs can mean a greater feeling of uniqueness and a smoother time with game balance.

[LoLo]

Because, as much as it is your privilege to argue for the inclusion of Thief, it is our privilege to argue against it. Many of us arguing against THF are doing so on the grounds that a Thief job cannot play separate enough from a Ninja when branching off of the same class. This is in addition to the resistance against giving a DoW a possible unique material gain advantage.

Now personally, I would be just as adamant against NIN if THF were to be the job coming from Rogue due to the same argument of not needing multiple damage dealing jobs coming fro the same class. Part of the argument against may also be a plea to Yoshida's team to limit the job bloat that Tanaka and Matsuno brought to the series. Few jobs can mean a greater feeling of uniqueness and a smoother time with game balance.

This is the only thread on jobs where I have seen people not want people to ask the devs to include a certain job they like. If you do not plan to play Thief, having Thief in the game won't matter to you because you wont level it. So there is no reason as to why you should even care if you are not interested in the job.

This is a Final Fantasy game. All Final Fantasy games have lots of jobs to select from. I have never played a Final Fantasy game that didn't include a large list of jobs to select from. Job bloat and all of the other reasons are nonsense in my opinion.