NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Nalien]

A Thief tank would be interesting... Obviously Steal would apply to enmity, which would be different enough from Provoke, somewhat fits with XIs Thief as well. That would make it an evasion based tank that steals enmity, rather than building it themselves. I like that concept lol, you'd have your regular DPS skills from Rogue, and then Thief skills for gaining and maintaining hate. Actually reminds me of Zidane, he certainly wasn't a stealthy Thief, more of a mischievous, center of attention, type Thief.

[MartaDemireux]

A Thief tank would be interesting... Obviously Steal would apply to enmity, which would be different enough from Provoke, somewhat fits with XIs Thief as well. That would make it an evasion based tank that steals enmity, rather than building it themselves. I like that concept lol, you'd have your regular DPS skills from Rogue, and then Thief skills for gaining and maintaining hate. Actually reminds me of Zidane, he certainly wasn't a stealthy Thief, more of a mischievous, center of attention, type Thief.

Only trouble though would be the evasion aspect. RIFT has an interesting rogue-styled tank that teleports around the monster to evade attacks but I don't think that'd work here with all the positional requirements of DPS. But nonetheless it would still be possible to have a rogue-styled tank. Perhaps that's why the tank is taking so long to implement - they are trying to create a balanced new tank style.

[Warlyx]

evade tanks are doomed, u need 50% dodge chance + huge armor behind all that or u are going to get job tank that in bad pulls gets2 shoted.....wipe and try again to see if the tank dodges now more ...no? ok wipe again.....Tank + CHANCE of instant death = fail design.


examples of "light" tanks that work: druid in wow (no parry no block , huge dodge and armor) , Monk in Eq2 , medium armor lots of dodge , dont dodge back to back? faceplant (that changed over the expansions still...) riftstalkers in rift works because armor buff , a huge "stoneskin" on top of that that the tank can refresh nearly ever 6s. lots of Cds too on top of that, and As far as i know stalkers in Wildstar can tank anything too

[Destinova]

There will not be thief. I am happy with Rogue and Ninja. I wish they would have made Rogue less like the wow rouge though.

[LoLo]

There will not be thief. I am happy with Rogue and Ninja. I wish they would have made Rogue less like the wow rouge though.

We are discussing Thief to let the devs know that there are people interesting in playing a Thief Job. Just like with same sex marriage, if people didn't voice their opinion there would not be same sex marriage coming to the game. I feel its worth the shot to ask for something that I and others would enjoy in the game.

[Abraxis]

We are discussing Thief to let the devs know that there are people interesting in playing a Thief Job. Just like with same sex marriage, if people didn't voice their opinion there would not be same sex marriage coming to the game. I feel its worth the shot to ask for something that I would enjoy in the game.

It's understandable WHY you're doing it. But you're asking them to implement something that requires them to completely rework the lore, history, story and backgrounds that they already have made. The same sex marriage is only a matter of allowing the eligible "members" number to increase.

You're basically bashing your head against a wall that won't break. At least when it comes to the name of "Thief". Like I mentioned before, they may very well add a Job down the line that will play like the Thief you so desperately want, but be named something else.

[LoLo]

It's understandable WHY you're doing it. But you're asking them to implement something that requires them to completely rework the lore, history, story and backgrounds that they already have made. The same sex marriage is only a matter of allowing the eligible "members" number to increase.

You're basically bashing your head against a wall that won't break. At least when it comes to the name of "Thief". Like I mentioned before, they may very well add a Job down the line that will play like the Thief you so desperately want, but be named something else.

It was a weak excuse to say that Thief can not fit into the lore. It is totally possible to fit Thief in without going against the lore because currently there are killers, scammers, people who sell sex, Pirates, Cults, rapist, Atmos which is a portal to a dark world, a nazi-like enemy that wants to kill all the Primals which act like selfish Gods to the beastmen. There is no reason why Thief couldn't be added. Not only that it is simple to add Thief by just making a Thief job stem from Rogue. There is no proof yet that has convinced me that it is impossible to add a Thief Job.

[Jandor]

evade tanks are doomed, u need 50% dodge chance + huge armor behind all that or u are going to get job tank that in bad pulls gets2 shoted.....wipe and try again to see if the tank dodges now more ...no? ok wipe again.....Tank + CHANCE of instant death = fail design.

Evasion based damage mitigation doesn't mean it has to have a low HP pool.

It's understandable WHY you're doing it. But you're asking them to implement something that requires them to completely rework the lore, history, story and backgrounds that they already have made. The same sex marriage is only a matter of allowing the eligible "members" number to increase.

You're basically bashing your head against a wall that won't break. At least when it comes to the name of "Thief". Like I mentioned before, they may very well add a Job down the line that will play like the Thief you so desperately want, but be named something else.

Not at all, rogues come from thiefs, thief job comes from a rogue rogue using a thief soul stone to steal Garlean battle plans, level 50 job quest has you planting incorrect plans and leading them into an ambush. Fits with everything I've heard so far .

[Abraxis]

Not only that it is simple to add Thief by just making a Thief job stem from Rogue.

So you want them to add a Job from a Class that "moved on" from being the Job that they "moved on" from?

There is no proof yet that has convinced me that it is impossible to add a Thief Job.

You mean other than the fact that the man that rebuilt the game, basically from the ground up, saying "No Thief"?

Not at all, rogues come from thiefs, thief job comes from a rogue rogue using a thief soul stone

So if they go from Thief to a Rogue, and then back to Thief...what's the point of Rogue in the first place?

[Alberel]

It's understandable WHY you're doing it. But you're asking them to implement something that requires them to completely rework the lore, history, story and backgrounds that they already have made. The same sex marriage is only a matter of allowing the eligible "members" number to increase.

You're basically bashing your head against a wall that won't break. At least when it comes to the name of "Thief". Like I mentioned before, they may very well add a Job down the line that will play like the Thief you so desperately want, but be named something else.

Jobs do not need to be 'legal' the way guilds and classes do. Technically becoming a black mage is forbidden by law as the job quests explain yet we manage to do that... so why on earth would a thief job be any different?

Whilst SE have said that rogues used to be thieves, unless they have steal, mug, etc. then that gap will always remain open for them to add the job later on down the line. Thief has the potential to be a support job similarly to bard (stealing stats and distributing them amongst the party, transferring enmity from one party member to another to secure the tank's control of the target, etc). Considering that many people want Archer to get a Ranger job (which would leave Archer with effectively two DD roles) I see no reason why Rogue couldn't have the same as long as Thief is fundamentally different to Ninja (and those steal skills really could make it very different).