NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Radacci]

1 week later, and ppl are still blabbering on about THF and DEX? come on...
Rogue=THF-Steal...what usefulness would steal have in XIV? steal fleece from Karakuls? manage hate? if the tank does what they should, hate is not going to be an issue, and most jobs got access to aggro manage skills.
This is as ridiculous as the argument that the ARR poster with SCH on it...wasn't actually scholar....because weird reasons.
They are introducing a new class/job, and they ARE NOT going to change how stats work, for ONE class. In this game, MELEE classes get attack FROM STR....get over it...
This is FF XIV, not other games, so stop using other games as arguments for how Rogue/Ninja will work in THIS game.
Stop being picky about the details, because of sentimentality, cause a day after rogue is released, no one will care anyway.

about those dex boosts....gun class...
Oh look there's stone skill there, beside lv X petrify, Desolation and grim fate, that must mean Dzemael boss uses Level X Petrify and casts stone, right? not.
just cause something appears in patch files, doesn't mean it's in the game, or will be, soon.
Model for cerberus, appeared in patch files, pre 2.2 (i think)....still not here.
just cause rogue skills appear next to dex passives, doesn't mean that rogue will use dex....it wont...unless it's ranged class...which it isn't.
Or ninja is dex-parry-tank, trololol.
Seriously....get over it...

[LoLo]

I all I want to say is that you can tell who comes into the thread and hasn't read any of it before posting their usual "What will steal bring to the game, its useless" or " Thief is unheroic, useless, and will clutter the game" comments

What I'm seeing here is that Rogue (perhaps Ninja too) will have at least 2 combo chains, A and B. With the clarification of B-1 I'm assuming there is also at least a B-2 as well. This means there could be a potential branching point for Ninja and a secondary job or perhaps just for skills in general.

Maybe this is the case. I guess time will tell.

lol at the AGI comment since in XI

If he did play FFXI he must have only played Thief for a subjob or just never main the job and was one of the many terrible Thief's that gave the Thief job a bad name.

[Arkista]

Thanks to the MOD who fixed the thread name.

I wonder what kind of Ninjutsu we will be able to use? Think NIN is going to be pretty screwed when it comes to Ninjutsu, We only get 5 Abilities from the class so I'm not to sure how it will work. Unless we have like 5-6 different Mudra Combos we can use. Like Mudra 1+2=?, 2+5=? 3+1=?......... only way I could see it working.


Edit thinking about it 5-6 different Mudra Combos would be way to much, So I think we may end up with 3-4 Mudra, if we had 4 Mudra Combos would be 6 Ninjutsu.

[Mcshiggs]

Thanks to the MOD who fixed the thread name.

I wonder what kind of Ninjutsu we will be able to use? Think NIN is going to be pretty screwed when it comes to Ninjutsu, We only get 5 Abilities from the class so I'm not to sure how it will work.

You will use different combinations of spirit fingers to make ninja magic. So 5 abilities can equal more than 5 spells.

[Jandor]

Thief can theoretically work as a job but a lot depends on how exactly Rogue is implemented. This thread will just keep going around in circles until we have some more details.

[LoLo]

Thief can theoretically work as a job but a lot depends on how exactly Rogue is implemented. This thread will just keep going around in circles until we have some more details.

YES. But I'm worried that there will be no info confirming that Rogue is the actual Thief in this game and there are no plans for a Thief Job. I do not understand why SE can not just come out and say if there is no plans for a Thief Job or not. They constantly talk about plans for a Gunner job and other job concepts.

[SionDurant]

YES. But I'm worried that there will be no info confirming that Rogue is the actual Thief in this game and there are no plans for a Thief Job. I do not understand why SE can not just come out and say if there is no plans for a Thief Job or not. They constantly talk about plans for a Gunner job and other job concepts.

Guys we already got confirmation.

Yoshi said it pretty clearly, watch the interview again. His translator explained that the Dev Team decided to make it so an Order of Thieves got together and decided to stop being thieves and refine themselves to Ninja.

Maybe Thief will be added some day as the second Rogue job, but, for now all signs point to SE truncating Thief and Ninja into one job.

This isn't the first time Square has truncated the 2 into one job either. I wanted to see Thief/Ninja, with Thief as DD and Ninja as DD/Support or DD/Tank, would have been most valuable to the community but things shook the way they shook.

btw -- This is a true Ninja, Ninja IRL weren't "assassins" as people commonly think, they were peasants who strategically acquired goods they needed for their villages mostly, I'm certain some did some unsavory assassinations but this was mostly survival for them, and that's what the Domans are doing.

[Jandor]

YES. But I'm worried that there will be no info confirming that Rogue is the actual Thief in this game and there are no plans for a Thief Job. I do not understand why SE can not just come out and say if there is no plans for a Thief Job or not. They constantly talk about plans for a Gunner job and other job concepts.

Because they might not be sure themselves yet.

[Takiwaki]

All those dex traits could be for the gunner job they have been hiding from us also...

[MartaDemireux]

All those dex traits could be for the gunner job they have been hiding from us also...

It's entirely true but then we still have the 3 missing traits to round out Rogue's suite which just so happen to be the stat traits and there just so happen to be 3 new DEX traits mixed in with perfect sequence (they're in reverse order from the first top left going down to the first tier of DEX). It's just so great of a coincidence. It is entirely true that it could be musketeer though but my gut says otherwise. We won't be getting Rogue/Ninja until around october-december probably. That's patch 2.4. If they go through 2.5-2.9 as well we probably won't see MSK until around holiday season 2015. Just seems so far ahead to place those 3 random traits in the game now.

Like Mudra 1+2=?, 2+5=? 3+1=?......... only way I could see it working.

They did say that certain combinations of Mudra would outright fail at E3. So if they use all 5 job slots for mudra and mudra only took 2 combinations to make a spell you could have 25 combinations (with some fails) if they took 3 to make a spell you'd have 125 combinations. I think it would be more likely that we get 3 mudra's and it would take 2 to make a spell for a total of 9 possible combinations (with some of them fails) leading to maybe 5 or 6 spells. We know we can enfeeble with them (1) we can buff with them (2) it looked like there were 2 attacks if my memory serves (4). So we have 4 with just those, perhaps they would round out the enfeebles and buffs to 2 each. Or maybe they'll leave it with just 4 spells and 5 dud combinations. Other 2 job abilities could be for other things likely. But they could do anything. They could even make the mudra's on a separate bar like pet abilities and give us 5 actual actions for job abilities.