How hard is it to get Animus now?

[ChriZirhC]

[Soulscar]

I have no issue with the long winded nature of this quest. Yoshi said (and I hope it turns out to be true) that the end result will be something that rewards those who have put in the effort and time. So...probably so nice sparkle effect lol. But yeah, I like the journey of this quest...and I like that it's a b*tch to get.

It's funny, when the game launched people were complaining about how easy it was to get the relic weapon. back then we didn't know the true nature of what was to come haha. No so easy now is it!?

[RegnumMagik]

If you think about it.

Each book takes 1.5K myth, that's about a little more than 3 hours worth of farming. The book part doesn't take much effort, other than the fate part.

It really isn't all that bad. Though Novus on the other hand is a little bit numbing.

[Moheeheeko]

Nothing has changed.

myth is easier to get.

[Gardes]

I guess people have hard time wrappung their head around the concept of "long term content".

Yes you can do 99,9% of quests in a single play session but not this one thing.

Long term content would be very valid if the end reward is very satisfying and extreme. Currently the relic line is only 2nd best. What's worse is that the relic is a weapon line that is for everyone and it's just about the only option for a casual player. It's not a new set of weapons that screams that this isn't for certain players that enjoy the grind. The other alternative for the same ilvl requires much less work (a 3 week soldiery cap and one round of t6-t8 and in the time you take to cap those solds you can pass the tomes and sands among 3 dps). You can argue that novus would have better secondary stats than the tome weapons but that is seriously way too small of an advantage when compared to the effort load. Hell, in three weeks or so CT2 will be introduced and it's very possible you'll be able to get that i110 tome weapon without ever going to coil and it'll be 3 weeks of sold cap and probably consuming your weekly allotment of CT drops for the tome and sand.

You can argue that the relic line can grow but it'll always grow slower than the item level jumps from coil. Coil going players have no time wait for novus to use it on 2nd coil. Remember, when we first reached lvl 50 we'd have an i55 or i60 and then tackled 1st coil with an i80 weapon or i90, the same weapon level as the allagan weapons until they bumped it to i95. We now start the i115 2nd coil with an i90. The i110 novus and tome weapons would be more in line with what we had as an i90 back then. But since the relic weapons will never be stronger than the latest allagan weapons, and since allagan weapons seem to jump every 20 ilvls, the relics will have 20 ilvls to catch up the moment a new coil increases.

Now look at what we have so far. i90 zenith > i100 atma (still technically i90 > i100 animus (actual damage upgrade) > i110 novus (customization). The amount of effort needed to go up 20 ilvls is simply humongous and it would still take way longer than any other possible new weapon path unless square suddenly decides to stop offering new weapons other than allagan and relic past i115. We have no idea where and when the ilvl increases will stop because yoship abhors horizontal progression so it's possible that the relic will just keep growing to something like i130(coil ends)/150 (some new hardcore 8 man starts)/170/190 or whatever and it'll still never reach the moment where it's the paragon of all weapons of its type.

How can you in good faith say that this will all be worth it in the end?

[Richiealvian]

I don't really understand what you're getting into, you have the opportunity to get a weapon that is slightly below what can be obtained by tackling the game's hardest content, which is always upgradable to one tier below the hardest content in each and every patch and would be the best of that tier because of customizability and you think it's not worth it? Well, what are you going to use the weapon for? Levequests?

Not to mention almost anything you do (aside from atma) will slightly further your progression on each phase of it? Technically with enough dedication you can get it within the first week of it coming out, too. How is this bad? It's not like they force you to do it? But you want epic loot, there you have it, put some effort into it?

[Radkat]

Atma is a walk in the park compared to Novus. If atma is too much for you, then you don't want to know about Novus. MMOs are designed to have content that allows players to play for a long time. If you want something short and sweet, either play single player games or online shooters like COD.

[Lemuria]

If you want something short and sweet, either play single player games or online shooters like COD.

Or perhaps the dozen or so other MMO's who managed to toe this line perfectly fine and still make the grind fun and interesting. It doesn't need to be nearly as boring as it currently is.

That said, once you've got Atma the 'grind' does become at least a little more interesting (myth notwithstanding) rather than mindlessly spamming the same low level, no-reward Fates you've been getting tired of since level 30.

[Gardes]

you have the opportunity to get a weapon that is slightly below what can be obtained by tackling the game's hardest content, which is always upgradable to one tier below the hardest content in each and every patch and would be the best of that tier because of customizability and you think it's not worth it?

As I've said, tome weapon takes less time and less tedious and at the end of it, you only have the secondary stat to compare with. The weapon damage is the same, the primary stat is the same, the vitality is the same, only the secondary stats are different and you probably already know that weapon damage and primary stat is worth much much more than a secondary stat. I feel that any secondary stat advantage (if the tome weapon secondary stats are worthless) is not worth all this trouble players go through. Even if I'm supporting the degree of the grind we currently have, the reward is not justified.

Technically with enough dedication you can get it within the first week of it coming out, too.

Technically, you can get the i110 tome weapon in 3 weeks after it came out, which was like 2 months ago. i110 novus came out like a week ago. By the time a player gets a novus, he would have probably attained his tome weapon and made use of it for a while. Any sense of boost you get from the animus will be near minimal.

But you want epic loot, there you have it, put some effort into it?

Not only would the HA weapons are more 'epic', it's more fun to put effort into.

[ServerCollaps]

Or perhaps the dozen or so other MMO's who managed to toe this line perfectly fine and still make the grind fun and interesting. It doesn't need to be nearly as boring as it currently is.

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