SMN Veil of Wiyu Novus - Which stats would be BiS?

[Altimis]

Same reason this is possible http://imgur.com/Aehn0oy

OMFG This is absolute best

Good thing I hold back Sand and not use it on weapon lol (been thinking its possible to up to 75 total Det + Crit)

Thank you for pic and prove, finally find a reason worth to do Novus

Time to say bye bye Spades Weathered lol

[Orophin]

The High Allagan Gear has a ton of accuracy on it. I imagine if you get enough of it you would be able to go crit/det on the Novus.

[Sequora]

How you know you can put Crit 44 Det 31 ?

Spades 110 is Crit 31 Det 31 = 66

On the book of spades determination is the main stat and crit is the second stat. Its kind of dumb the way it works but since determination is valued higher, the cap for it being in the first slot is the same as if it is in the second slot.

[Ryuko]

Thanks for posting this because I was very confused about how Novus stats would compare to upgraded Book of Spades. Crit+det is the obvious choice, and I wondered if the stats would be the exact same, or novus would have an edge... SMN is in a very unique situation in that Book of Spades has ideal stats, so novus would be a waste if the stats were identical... but if you can add more crit than the book of spades has, then that is nice.

[Altimis]

On the book of spades determination is the main stat and crit is the second stat. Its kind of dumb the way it works but since determination is valued higher, the cap for it being in the first slot is the same as if it is in the second slot.

I already start with Determination first

I still can get 44 crit later? curious lol

[Donjo]

Yes, 44 Crit + 31 Det is an improvement over the Book of Spades, but that 13 extra crit is a literally negligible increase over the former. Too negligible, I'd argue, to justify the time spent in creating a Novus just to replace it.

My recommendation would be to put some Accuracy on the weapon. Since Magic Damage is so much more a determinant of a weapon's damage than its secondary stats, your weapon is the one place where you can get away with sacrificing secondary stats without sacrificing too much damage. A bit of Accuracy will help you reach caps in the Second Coil and ease the transition into the Third Coil, where the Accuracy Caps will likely be even higher. That way, you can keep the Book of Spades around when you want to nuke and use the Novus when you need some Accuracy.

On the book of spades determination is the main stat and crit is the second stat. Its kind of dumb the way it works but since determination is valued higher, the cap for it being in the first slot is the same as if it is in the second slot.

Yep, it's valued higher. Think of a given weapon as having X number of "secondary stat points". Crit Rate costs 1 point our of your X. Determination, however, costs about 1.415 points out of your X. The Book of Spades has 75 points. The 31 Determination on it comes at a cost of 44 points, and the remaining 31 are in Crit. These values don't apply, however, to a Novus. Everything costs 1. A weapon with 44 Crit and 31 Det uses 88 secondary stat points. A weapon with 33 Piety, 31 Determination, and 11 of anything else uses a whopping 99!

[Lito00]

Thanks everyone for your responses. Your insights have been quite helpful.

Anyone have any idea what the 13 extra crit (compared to Book of Spades) equates to from a DPS perspective? If it truly is negligible, then Donjo's argument for going the accuracy route may have some serious merit.

[Starkbeaumont]

13 crit is almost 1% more crit chance... which in the end only means less than 0.5% damage difference. imo smn novus is only useful if you consider it will always have a place as long as it is upgradable. Acc route seems pointless, since you can get all the acc you ever need from t6+7

[Sanguisio]

But wouldnt it be better to have a crit/det build and just a few acc items to get the 491 to summon garuda then switch back ?

Thats what I did for titan vit, surely it would have the same affect for garuda.

[Starkbeaumont]

But wouldnt it be better to have a crit/det build and just a few acc items to get the 491 to summon garuda then switch back ?

Thats what I did for titan vit, surely it would have the same affect for garuda.

Spur (and other things) will reset your egi's stats using your current gear set