NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[KingOfAbyss]

It's still doing DPS damage, just the animations are different ! Why do you care so much about the animation ?[/I]

I play MMOs for the animations skills and actions, combined with the beautiful scenery. And making friends through chat and playing together.

Now, a MNK that needs to position himself, that needs to do combos.. vs NIN that Yoshi said won't need to be into a specific place.. Each have their own style, same thing as WAR and PLD are Tanks, or WHM and SCH are healers - different styles of achieving the same results (win) - one will appeal more than the other to some people.

For me, the style of play are bolded.

PLD - WAR
WHM - SCH
SMN - BLM (I love the flares only - my GF show me all these blasts so I'm ok with my future Levi, Ramuh and Shiva Egis )
MNK - DRG
BRD - ? (can't compare lol)

*I admit the glamours made me think of NIN on MNK lol perhaps used as a teaser? Can't wait to use these same gear on NIN muhahahaha

I would be very sad if Rogue (not the colour Rouge, hope it's a typo ^^) doesn't start at lvl 1.

I'm all in for new classes/jobs to be unlocked after completing the story, as long as they can start fresh, so we can have a little fun with 3 skills in Sastasha

[Nalien]

If Gladiator and Paladin are the exact same thing, I guess you'd be OK with suggestions that they should remove Paladin and its AF/Weapons? I mean, you're hardly using those Skills, you said so yourself.

That is exactly what you're saying with regards to Thief. Why have it when it's the same as Rouge? Well, why have Paladin? Why bother having Paladin except for just the name?

Again, the first thing Yoshida set out to do with XIV was introduce Jobs. Thief is a Job. If we can have Paladin instead of just Gladiator, we should be able to have Thief instead of just Rouge. It's the exact same thing.

[Reynhart]

If Gladiator and Paladin are the exact same thing, I guess you'd be OK with suggestions that they should remove Paladin and its AF/Weapons?

So now, PLD plays differently wether they have a relic or not ?!
Again you're clearly proving that you don't care about mechanics.

What I'm saying is that Rogue will play exactly like Thief, and Ninja, evolving from Rogue will play exactly like it, with additionnal skills from Ninja. And you complain because you can play as more than a Thief even if they give everything the Thief has ? It's not like they remove staple skills from Thief, jobs are additional skills.

The first thing Yoshida did was introducing jobs above what already existed. You should be happy, because considering what Yoshida is doing now, Warrior may have been a class evolving into Paladin, like in FF I.

Still, you haven't told me what you want for a real Thief.

[Nalien]

Still, you haven't told me what you want for a real Thief.

Probably because I don't want Thief, I'm just not rejecting the possibility and telling people to pretend Ninja is Thief. Except in satire, like telling people to pretend Monk is Ninja. Maybe I should add that Samurai shouldn't be added; just give Lancer a Yari polearm type and it already has Invigorate. Why bother adding Samurai, it'll just play the same as other DPS.

But once again, the point goes "WOOOSH", right over your head. I'm done. Not wasting my daily post limit on someone with such a lack of reading comprehension.

Probably because your point is totally hollow and not based whatsoever on gameplay

More to do with your inability to comprehend that all Jobs are ultimately a meaningless addition of the name, iconic armor, and a few iconic abilities, yet Yoshida still saw fit to implement them anyway. You said it yourself, you only use 2 Paladin skills regularly. The addition of Paladin back in 1.21 was as hollow as the proposed addition of Thief. Somehow you keep missing this point. Not having Thief because it "doesn't add enough" may as well be an argument for removing Jobs completely, then we wouldn't be stuck with a frankly pointless Class system.

If people don't bring class in endgame, it's because jobs have everything a class has to offer AND more.

So they should just remove Jobs and let all the Classes be Jobs in spirit alone.
Gladiator is still Paladin.
Marauder is still Warrior.
Conjurer is still White Mage.
Thaumaturge is still Black Mage.
Archer is now Ranger.
Pugilist is still Monk.
Lancer is still Dragoon.
Arcanist is still Summoner, and we lose Scholar.
Rouge becomes Thief.

Problem solved.

Or, you know, they could just give Rouge a second Job and its "AND more" is just more Thief related than Ninjas "AND more", which is Ninjitsu.

In a game where Bard is only a few songs, and Scholar pulled a fairy literally out of no where, it isn't really impossible that they can give Thief something to make it a Job.

[Reynhart]

But once again, the point goes "WOOOSH", right over your head. I'm done.

Probably because your point is totally hollow and not based whatsoever on gameplay

[Bigpurpleharness]

Still, you haven't told me what you want for a real Thief.

You may want to read the thread though. A job stone (And benefits/stats that come with it), the iconic Thief AF and abilities, the associated lore like every other job, I mean, there's been tons. I'm not sure what to tell you if you haven't caught that. :\

EDIT: I suppose instead I should just ask, you DO know all of the differences between classes and jobs right? Like, the pretty significant stat bonuses? The fact that the job quests go past 30? How AF is introduced and ties into previous FF titles? How iconic abilities that FF fans would want are added in as job abilities (Regen, Flare, etc)? I mean, there are a lot. If you've ever wondered why you never see anyone take a class to endgame, there's plenty of reading on the subject.

[Reynhart]

Iconic THF AF : We saw the exact Thief outfit in the trailer
Thief abilities : Looking at the description, Rogue already has some of these abilities. But I suppose even if Rogue has every abilities of past Thieves, it's not enough.
Lore : Classes have lore too in case you didn't follow the class quests
Job stone is not a gameplay mechanic, and the benefits from the Ninja stone will only enhance the Rogue

If people don't bring class in endgame, it's because jobs have everything a class has to offer AND more.

[Bigpurpleharness]

Iconic THF AF : We saw the exact Thief outfit in the trailer
Thief abilities : Looking at the description, Rogue already has some of these abilities. But I suppose even if Rogue has every abilities of past Thieves, it's not enough.
Lore : Classes have lore too in case you didn't follow the class quests
Job stone is not a gameplay mechanic, and the benefits from the Ninja stone will only enhance the Rogue

If people don't bring class in endgame, it's because jobs have everything a class has to offer AND more.

And.... we're back to square one. The same half baked arguments that people have been explaining this entire thread. So since we've come full circle, now you're supposed to say, "It's just a name difference! No one has explained why they're not OK with a rogue class taking a thief job's place!" I'd argue steal:stats and steal:heart (Which obviously would never be allowed) are gameplay mechanics who actually know what a mechanic is.

[Reynhart]

Indeed, we're back...because nothing that people asked is denied to them except for the name.

In fact, that's strange...people complain because they want iconic Thief skills although we don't even know what skills the Rogue will have

[Erudain]

All this discussion reminds me a South Park chapter...

Cartman's mon: ohh look Toshiba handibook, same hardware and does everything the Ipad does, but half the price...
Cartman: yes, but it's not an Ipad...

So I guess Rogue could be a thief clone, have all it's traditional skills/traits, be played like a thief always was played....then you get a soulstone for ninja (like you know, ninja being an advanced class for thief in lots of FF games), still has all the thief traditional skills/traits, still hold the same thief playstyle....but is not called "thief"....the horror....

If it moves like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck....then is a duck even if I dress it up like a cat...