Consern regarding Brutal Mode

[Cherie]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

People are people, I'm so tired of this Casual Vs Hardcore argument. I'm not even going to ever get to run "brutal" mode, even if there was a good carrot to get from it. Even so, I think there should be one. I won't get all hurt to see people running around wearing/using whatever it could be. I don't know a single person in 10 years of MMOs that ever got excited about some title, with the rare exception that it rhymed with their name or something.

If they aren't going to put a good carrot in for it, they shouldn't even put brutal modes in there. I'd rather personally that they spend their time making content people will actually do.

It's hard enough to establish seven other people that want to be in a static and run stuff every week, for the *easy* mode stuff.... :/ Brutal modes won't get done in this game's community without a good carrot. Only group that might not *need* a carrot would be some group that is going for a "world first", and then brutal mode will never be done again... lol

[Gormogon]

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

Before the novus patch was release I did farm brayflox even after being soldiery capped and having to spend myth since I was always nearing the 2,000 cap. It's like you believe doing something for the sake of doing it is just such a ridiculous notion.

People want a challenge and that's the carrot Brutal mode offers. The icing on the cake is the title that goes with it as evidence to completing that challenge which isn't needed but it is still there. Same with coil giving gear. You don't need coil gear to down coil. The gear is a reward for being able to tackle it and completing the challenge.

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

[Yukiko]

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

*sigh*
Good old days... Anyone up for some MUD fun?

[Cherie]

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

[Gormogon]

When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

What's your point? There where people that were in their late 80's playing WoW when it launched and were part of the guild I was in. Player age is insignificant to the actual age of when MMO's where released.

I'm talking about MMO's that were released in the late 1990's and early 2000's where the notion of "instanced raid" didn't exist that current MMO standards rely heavily for doing end game content.

[Cherie]

What's your point? There where people that were in their late 80's playing WoW when it launched and were part of the guild I was in. Player age is insignificant to the actual age of when MMO's where released.

I'm talking about MMO's that were released in the late 1990's and early 2000's where the notion of "instanced raid" didn't exist that current MMO standards rely heavily for doing end game content.

That wasn't what I was talking about, but ok. Gee, I'm 80 years old now? :/ I'm not as old as my grandmother. And while my beloved grandmother could play if she wanted to, she doesn't really care to.
ALL, I was saying, if I was saying anything, is when did MMOs not throw gear behind raids? Can you name one game? Here, I'll help you: City of heroes. That one only counts because it had no gear whatsoever.

Which is how I think this game should be. Gear doesn't give you superpowers. Unless you are this guy: http://youtu.be/Ui1T071doeE At best gear in games should give you protection...

But then again, City of Heroes's servers were taken down. We live in a material world. People want: "stuff" And more recently (not long ago like you said) people want that stuff without having to do anything for it.

Yeah people that do down Brutal within the first 3 weeks really deserved their allagan gear.

Yea ok. Let's just say no one earned their gear... because, reasons. Really how do you earn gear in this game that only has a small chance to drop anyway. I am higher ilvl than my friend that formed a static on their own and downed turn 9. That doesn't make me as good of a player than him. He's the one that is a better player. I just got luckier with drops. So, having gear means nothing anyway. It's no "prize" for being a good player. It's merely a carrot to go do the content.

[SarcasmMisser]

It's hard enough to establish seven other people that want to be in a static and run stuff every week, for the *easy* mode stuff.... :/ Brutal modes won't get done in this game's community without a good carrot. Only group that might not *need* a carrot would be some group that is going for a "world first", and then brutal mode will never be done again... lol

You just provided another carrot; I'll look forward to proving you wrong.

[Cherie]

You just provided another carrot; I'll look forward to proving you wrong.

Go for it, I'd be the first to congratulate you... lol

If you already clearing turn 9, which I imagine you probably are to say that. I'd imagine you'll have better luck than many of us in finding seven people that want to do it.

My personal experience is my static that I was working on turn 9 with mostly quit for wildstar and other games... So I'm happy at least some people still are having better luck than me with having friends that enjoy the game still.

Maybe I'm still just sad to see the friends I had been playing since nearly launch just up and quit the game because they were bored and weren't happy with the development cycle/etc. But yea, I realize some people still are having fun.

I hope it stays that way for you.

[Malamasala]

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

Sad truth is that people hate FF14, but keep playing because they think they need virtual gear to feel better about themselves.

If a MMO put all gear for free in town, and made dungeons and raids drop nothing, you'd see the exact amount of people playing for fun and not out of mental disorders. It would be a good field to get a doctors degree within.