Delay the Rogue/Ninja class till expansion.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

The only way that a petition will achieve its goal is by convincing people that it is the best thing to do for the majority

I'm trying to understand why you call this a petition, yet don't seem to care what other people think if it doesn't align with your own thoughts. Doesn't seem so off topic to me.

False. Democracy and popularity are not the only way to make things happen.

I care about what people think even if doesn`t aling with my thoughts, what i dont care about are the "no /10chars" and jokes about the thread. And belive me, i just read through them. I have been constantly ansewing opossing opinions to mine in the thread, specially those well formulated ones about how the DF ratio has nothing to do with how many players play what roles ratio. Which i have even accepted as it was true, because is reasonable. And thats what i consider and care, reasonable, well presented, arguments.

What is your vision of well presented content, then? I always here this argument that the industry is dying, yet I still see data that presents top MMOs still in the millions of subscribers (albeit a couple of millions or thousands of subs lost to MOBA style games), despite more and more MMOs being added into the mix. The fact is, people like grinds, people like doing the daily work for a shiny weapon at the end of the road. They also like going into the next grind, and/or using their newly obtained weapon to fight monsters to get a newer, more shiny weapon.

FFXIV did not create a new standard, it simply follows standards that are known to work successfully, and created it's own success from it. SE is doing well now, thanks to FFXI still bringing in the numbers from dedicated subbers, and now the newly acclaimed FFXIV: ARR. And delvelopment efforts have been anything but "lazy." Laziness cannot take a very dead and failing MMO, reimage and re-release it, and come out sucessful without some serious work put in. There's a reason why people say FFXIV: ARR set an unheard of precedent with it's sucesss -- it is literally the only MMO that has recovered from it's own initial failings, something unheard of in the MMO community.

The indulgent community however, I will agree with you on.

FFXIV:ARR devolpment wasnt lazy, because they were literlly wallet forced to create something worth, cause SE couldnt afford another "Final Fantasy Spirit Within" hit with FFXIV. And i agree, the level of polish, the well done rebuild, and the overall experience and delivery of FFXIV:ARR was outsanding and top level. SE has recovered, not fully but numbers are looking good in comparison to what they look 2 years ago. Player base has stablished, the community has been solified, and the balance between trolls, haters, white knights and critical poster has become into balance aligned with the stars of the interwebz.

NOW. Thing have become "normal". Devolpers have began to soften their hand on about how things are delivered and the overall polish of content has been seeing small but clear drops. We are beyond that point already where everyone on the internet was calling "6 months for F2P" we have stablished a foothold already, a very good one, thing that TESO and Wildstar for example havent and they are struggling. Nope, we are better than that because of things like presentation, polish, well devoloped content and delivery of said content.

My vision of well presented content? What 2.0 was. Even what 2.1 was... But 2.2 already had their flaws because of lazy devoloping, 2.28 had it. I hope 2.3 straightens the path once more. Im just worried the indulgency of the community reaches the developer team now we are past "the critical age" of any P2P MMORPG.
And this is off-topic because is a discussion about me and my objective, which is not the topic, and from now on, im off from this off-topic xD.

I remember when Arcanist was announced, and playable. People said that everyone would just be an Arcanist. It lasted a few weeks, then people decided they'd actually rather play other classes.

Yes, everyone will play the same things when it arrives. It won't last, though. And it doesn't matter when they are added; it'll be the same thing then anyway.

Thing is, ACN was launched along another 7 classes. Yes a lot of people went to rush it (and actually was pretty bad) since it was new from the beta perspective. Now, there is nothing new besides the NIN. What happend with ACN will be nothing compared to whats going to happen here if NIN comes alone.