The Cutscene Skipping Debate - Change of View

[Razzle]

Name any game? PSU/PSO/DCUO, pretty much all console MMO's will support inexperience.

Didn't play DCUO, but PSU/PSO? loool... Those games are built around duty finder and is filled with speed running... Yet players there don't care... I don't even think you can compare the two to FFXIV because the cutscenes there belong to solo story missions.

At the end of the day its just poor game design with those story raids but that's a different thread.

What you don't realize - Is that players just won't wait for cutscenes. Ever. Make them skiappble, they will skip. Make them forced - they will just won't run that dungeon.

The result is the same for you, so might as well make it skipable and give the newbies an option to run it fast than force it and take out that option from them.

[Tule]

Snip.

Cutscenes aren't skippable in DCUO. All the big dungeons have them.

PSU/PSO weren't stellar games. Doesn't change the fact you could ALWAYS find a White Beast party. Someone would say "Have at least 40% dark" or something like that, but there were plenty of idiots running around with light on light slicers, and still beating the dungeon. Cause it was easy. I didn't say they were great or challenging games. I just gave him what he wanted, he acted like it didn't exist.

[Razzle]

but there were plenty of idiots running around with light on light slicers, and still beating the dungeon. Cause it was easy. I didn't say they were great or challenging games. I just gave him what he wanted, he acted like it didn't exist.

I still don't understand how PSU and PSO are the answer. They don't have cutscenes at all. As for DCUO, if the cutscenes there are as long and as many as FFXIV's, I bet they're not so popular. So again, the newbie rather be able to run a popular dungeon fast than to not run it all.

[Tule]

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Because he said "Please tell me the game / time, when you could get a random group, at the drop of a hat, in less than 20minutes, for any dungeon that would politely support you despite inexperience and wait for you during long cutscenes."

It doesn't have cutscenes, but it has quick dungeon that support inexperience and will support you. I think saying "because it doesn't have cutscenes" it being a little too specific. The idea here is there are two groups of people in pick up dungeons, and one group is rushing the other. And he is acting like that is inevitable. It is, to a degree, but there have been and still are games where you can find somewhat patient people and you don't have to go out of the way and wait "hours / days / weeks for your first run, but enjoy it as you would like to."

[Raestloz]

Cutscenes aren't skippable in DCUO. All the big dungeons have them.

Are they "cutscenes" as in "ROAAAR! I'M ANANTABOGA!" or are they cutscenes as in "Oh mine lord, how I love thine kind words.... *yadda yadda* oh no! big bad is coming! *yadda yadda* all their base is belong to us! *yadda yadda* HULK! RAGE! HULK! PUNCH! *yadda yadda* happy ever after *yadda yadda* fin"?

Because Story Roulettes' cutscenes are the 2nd one

[Tule]

Are they "cutscenes" as in "ROAAAR! I'M ANANTABOGA!" or are they cutscenes as in "Oh mine lord, how I love thine kind words.... *yadda yadda* oh no! big bad is coming! *yadda yadda* all their base is belong to us! *yadda yadda* HULK! RAGE! HULK! PUNCH! *yadda yadda* happy ever after *yadda yadda* fin"?

Because Story Roulettes' cutscenes are the 2nd one

So now we're getting more and more specific. And they range. Most of them are boss introductions, but there are fairly long ones. Like the end of a raid called Prime where the Bad guy is defeated, the good comes in and gives a speech, badguy rises and beats good guy, bad guy gives speech, then both badguy/goodguy exchange taunts and run off"

Besides, if we're getting specific, is it really that common? People do it ONCE and then DONE forever. And again, its PRAE/CM, it isn't T9. Do you really NEED them? No, you don't.

[Eidolon]

So now we're getting more and more specific. And they range. Most of them are boss introductions, but there are fairly long ones. Like the end of a raid called Prime where the Bad guy is defeated, the good comes in and gives a speech, badguy rises and beats good guy, bad guy gives speech, then both badguy/goodguy exchange taunts and run off"

I actually decided to look this up and I don't feel it's a fair comparison.

9s-24s (ROAR I'M A BOSS) ::: 10:30 to 12:25

You start this raid off with a 15 second cutscene.
You then fight a boss who actively talks in VO's for 10 minutes (And that is on the short side - this was a speed run video)
You then get an two back-to-back cutscenes totalling at most 2 minutes. And by my eye, the cutscene seemed to be freaking out (or it could be the whole clone thing)

So that's at most 2minutes 15 seconds of cutscenes. That's barely ONE cutscene for us final fantasy players, and it's put at the start as well as at the end of the dungoun, and doesn't break the flow of combat or action at any point in time. THAT is why it works there - they aren't of the quality, length, or depth that we as Final Fantasy fans are used to.

Reference Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTvMoDFosU

[Tule]

I actually decided to look this up and I don't feel it's a fair comparison.

9s-24s (ROAR I'M A BOSS) ::: 10:30 to 12:25

You start this raid off with a 15 second cutscene.
You then fight a boss who actively talks in VO's for 10 minutes (And that is on the short side - this was a speed run video)
You then get an two back-to-back cutscenes totalling at most 2 minutes. And by my eye, the cutscene seemed to be freaking out (or it could be the whole clone thing)

So that's at most 2minutes 15 seconds of cutscenes. That's barely ONE cutscene for us final fantasy players, and it's put at the start as well as at the end of the dungoun, and doesn't break the flow of combat or action at any point in time. THAT is why it works there - they aren't of the quality, length, or depth that we as Final Fantasy fans are used to.

Reference Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTvMoDFosU

Again, missing the point of what was said. Read post 28.

That is also why I said most are boss intros, which aren't long at all. And that it isn't about just the cutscenes. Focusing just on the cutscene aspect is missing the entire problem.

[Eidolon]

Again, missing the point of what was said. Read post 28.

That is also why I said most are boss intros, which aren't long at all. And that it isn't about just the cutscenes. Focusing just on the cutscene aspect is missing the entire problem.

he asked in a later post why it worked there and I was giving a reasonable answer. I'm also pointing out that if that's the quality of the cutscenes that DCUO has to offer, going to that game over FFXIV for story-content is going to be a HUGE dissapointment. Let's take for example T5 cutscenes, because at the moment they're less Spoiler-tastic than T9's cutscenes.

Cutscene you get at the end of T5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qFXDiE5to RUNNING TIME OF 3m10 seconds. Already, even if you include the 'roar I'm the boss', and the fact that the cutscene for DCUO glitched the heck out, AND the fact that there's a load right in the middle of it, you're still at a minute longer for this one in just ONE cutscene portion. This isn't even including the cutscene at the very start, as well as the "ROAR I'M A DRAGON" that twintania does.

Just because DCUO has cutscenes, doesn't mean it has the quality and depth that FFXIV's provides.

Edit-in: At the same time, I will add that if you think about it, if they put those cutscenes on -all- raids in DCUO, it's probably going to equal the amount of cutscenes we get between all 5 turns of a single raid, since that was referred to as a "T4 Raid" (Not quite sure how many there are in that game.) Even still, those cutscenes were shoddy at best.