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[Ooshima]

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Healer's only job is to heal. To do anything else is a bonus.

Same goes to tank. Tanking is their main job, dealing more DPS is a bonus. Can I say those overgearred tanks who doesn't want to change their VIT accessories to STR accessories to deal more DPS are not pulling their weight and not putting in effort?

And we are talking about tam tara here, a lowbie dungeon mind you. With level sync the amount of effort and returns aren't worth my efforts as a healer (I play WHM mainly for healing). If we are talking about Lvl 50 dungeons then you'd see me Holy/Aero2/Aero the hell out of the mobs etc and earning 2-3 commendations for 4 man dungeons.

[Yahavage]

And we are talking about tam tara here, a lowbie dungeon mind you. With level sync the amount of effort and returns aren't worth my efforts as a healer (I play WHM mainly for healing). If we are talking about Lvl 50 dungeons then you'd see me Holy/Aero2/Aero the hell out of the mobs etc and earning 2-3 commendations for 4 man dungeons.

I dunno, I always do everything possible whatever level dungeon I'm playing, I don't see it as an excuse not to play to my best. If I can DPS, I will DPS, the returns will always be worth it as extra damage will always be worth it, imo.

Plus, and this is the main thing for me, not doing everything you can is what makes the dungeon boring - people complain about it being tedious, well it will be if you're just standing there chucking out the odd cure when you can be bothered :x

Also with regards to gear, no I wouldn't go so-far as to nit pick over gear, specifically for low-level dungeons (which seems to be the focus) where I don't think it's really possible to be 'over-geared' due to the way the level-sync works. I just want people to be mashing buttons when they could be mashing buttons instead of just standing there and not mashing buttons

[Gardes]

No dragoon should be doing that. You got TT and VT in all dungeons.

Either way, you shouldn't be screwing off in a middle of an instance, it's bad etiquette. If you summon can handle healing alone, dps. Quicker you can get it done the better.

Psst, TT + VT is 150 + 200. ID + ID is 180 + 180.

You'd only VT when you have life surge up.

/minmax

[Darki]

Wow........Just.......wow.

I barely know where to start. I'll put all the rough quotes I have seen in this thread into one post for simplicity.


"If you have ever played SCH you'd know that it's sooooo boring in this duty"

I have played SCH and geared it to i96. Same with WHM. You'd know that if you checked my profile. Oh but that would be work and you don't do that sort of thing. I forgot.

Also, that fact is neither a reason nor an excuse for you to go AFK while other people do the work for you. If it is so long and boring that you can't tolerate it, then leave the duty and go do something more fun. Carry your fair share. If your going to play the game then play the game.



"Eos heals the party just fine without my help so I can just kick back and do nothing."

Didn't you just say that the duty is long and boring? If you were to DPS the mobs with the party (Yes you should be DPSing anyway, lazy) the duty would be over with much faster. Bio, Miasma, Ruin...take your pick. Doing nothing and going AFK regardless of your lame excuses, slows down the party and disrupts the game experience for those in it.



"But I like to be able to talk to my friends in FC/LS1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 while I do a duty."

You are basically saying that neither your friends nor the party deserves your full attention. You know that right?

The reason you don't do that is the same reason you don't text and drive: it gets people killed. And even if it doesn't get people killed, it takes your concentration away from the task at hand which in turn hinders the party. You must at least make an attempt to be a team player even if you have a hard time doing it. At least then your not violating the games policy (I'll talk about that soon.)

SE first made this game without the ability to communicate in any chat other than party for this very reason. The only reason why SE allows it now is because too many of their subscribers are self-entitled children who steal their parents wallets to buy gil from RMTs because they are too lazy to make gil the mature way.



"Who are you to bark at us? Worry about your own gameplay"

I am. YOU are effecting it buy doing nothing.



"Well then vote me out or just leave yourself."

You know what? That's not a bad idea. But before I do, i'm going to call a GM and tell them there is someone committing absent play in the party. Oh you don't believe it's against the game's rules? Ok then see for yourself (section 3.2): http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en

I think that is what I will do from now on.

Frankly I don't expect to get through to any of the self-entitled children on this thread. It's not relevant anyway. Hopefully SE will get wise to this conduct and correct it. Until then...


Anyone doing this in my party will get GMed. I will not give warning. I will just do it then vote kick. If the kick fails I will just leave and go do something productive that lazy slobs like you can't hinder.

[Kuwagami]

This entire thread has made me so happy we can go into DR with pre-mades so I can go in with friends who are at least willing to put some effort in and make the dungeon interesting instead of not pulling their weight and expecting a carry.

Too bad SE decided that low level, guildhests, trials and scenario wouldn't get the group DR.

Oh btw, a healer just healing IS pulling his weight. His job is done. Him DPSing is carrying others a bit (not that it's bad or good or anything, just saying.)

Edit, just because :

Also, that fact is neither a reason nor an excuse for you to go AFK while other people do the work for you.

You are healed, never on the verge of dieing, so healer's work is done. Wether you like it or not, they ARE doing their job. You can't force any healer to dps if they don't want to.

"Eos heals the party just fine without my help so I can just kick back and do nothing."

Didn't you just say that the duty is long and boring? If you were to DPS the mobs with the party (Yes you should be DPSing anyway, lazy) the duty would be over with much faster. Bio, Miasma, Ruin...take your pick. Doing nothing and going AFK regardless of your lame excuses, slows down the party and disrupts the game experience for those in it.

disrupt by what... hacking your computer so that you can't play anymore ? Because we aren't dpsing ?

"But I like to be able to talk to my friends in FC/LS1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 while I do a duty."

You are basically saying that neither your friends nor the party deserves your full attention. You know that right?
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SE first made this game without the ability to communicate in any chat other than party for this very reason. The only reason why SE allows it now is because too many of their subscribers are self-entitled children who steal their parents wallets to buy gil from RMTs because they are too lazy to make gil the mature way.

1) multitasking. Some people have it. Not hard to follow what's going on on screen while chatting on a chat which is on the same screen.

2) Nice attempt at trolling. "Your pet can solo heal so you afk, you must be a kid stealing parent's wallet to buy RMT's gils". Should I help you dig your hole ?

"Who are you to bark at us? Worry about your own gameplay"

I am. YOU are effecting it buy doing nothing.

again, we are healing. Maybe you should ask SE to remove the pets who are so OP that they can solo heal. Or maybe, if it really bothered you, you could pull more packs, so that the pet can't solo heal, thus forcing the player to act ? maybe ?

"Well then vote me out or just leave yourself."

You know what? That's not a bad idea. But before I do, i'm going to call a GM and tell them there is someone committing absent play in the party. Oh you don't believe it's against the game's rules? Ok then see for yourself (section 3.2): http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en

Have you ever read these rules ?
FYI : section 3.2 :

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

I.E : Hacking computers in order to alter someone's datas or to prevent them to play is forbidden. Tell me how you put "letting the pet solo heal" in that category ?

Anyone doing this in my party will get GMed. I will not give warning. I will just do it then vote kick. If the kick fails I will just leave and go do something productive that lazy slobs like you can't hinder.

Report abuse will get you in trouble sooner than the one you reported. I would strongly advise you not to do it.

[Darki]

Tanking is their main job, dealing more DPS is a bonus. Can I say those overgearred tanks who doesn't want to change their VIT accessories to STR accessories to deal more DPS are not pulling their weight and not putting in effort?

There is a very big difference between gear choices and engaging /follow while walking away from the game. All I ask is that people keep the gamecontroler/keyboard in their hands and actually push buttons.

[Darki]

Too bad SE decided that low level, guildhests, trials and scenario wouldn't get the group DR.

Oh btw, a healer just healing IS pulling his weight. His job is done. Him DPSing is carrying others a bit (not that it's bad or good or anything, just saying.)

You mean Eos. Not the healer.

[Kuwagami]

You mean Eos. Not the healer.

It was clear since the beginning of 2.0 that the summoner/healer and their pet were sharing the job. That's why pure healing potency is far from on par between WHM and SCH to begin with. Now if Selene or Eos is sufficient to heal, it's no different from a WHM spamming cure doing nothing else.

[Skapoc]

Lets break this down very simply.

1. Are you dieing?
No
2. Is the Healer healing or did he use the tools available to him to heal(aka summoning his pet)?
Yes
3. Did you finish the duty?
Yes

Then what really is the problem? Is it because he didn't DPS at your beck and call?

Also how do u know he is afk? What if he had you on follow and was manually healing with Eos? How would you know? Reporting or kicking him at that point is borderline harassment.

You have a control problem if you care that much about how other people play the game when they are playing it correctly.

[Ooshima]

Also, that fact is neither a reason nor an excuse for you to go AFK while other people do the work for you. If it is so long and boring that you can't tolerate it, then leave the duty and go do something more fun. Carry your fair share. If your going to play the game then play the game.

What work did I ask others to do for me? Mind you my job icon is GREEN. My work is to HEAL. DPS icon is RED and I'm sure it's not my colour. They are supposed to do the DPS job. If I DPS it's a bonus. If they NEED me to DPS to clear the instance, they suck tbh. In a 4 man dungeon you have TANK-DPS-DPS-HEAL for a good reason. And some of these lowbie dungeons don't even need a healer. I've played Cutter's Cry as a WAR and some of the healers were so bad they died before half of the boss battle and I could 2-man the Chimera with another DPS.

BTW tanks can DPS too. Do you happen to ask them to off tank stance and deal more DPS to speed up the dungeon? Maybe make sure you do for equality sake. (It is do-able anyways with Sword Oath/no Defiance)

Anyone doing this in my party will get GMed. I will not give warning. I will just do it then vote kick. If the kick fails I will just leave and go do something productive that lazy slobs like you can't hinder.

I hope one day I'd party with you cross server and wait for you to GM me, and I'll be more than happy to tell you what GM says later.


EDIT:

I have played SCH and geared it to i96. Same with WHM. You'd know that if you checked my profile. Oh but that would be work and you don't do that sort of thing. I forgot.

Erm is there a need to check profiles before replying to someone? Okay I checked your profile now. Not even cleared first coil of bahamut yet.

Not trying to be an ass but you see what I mean about checking profiles?