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[Yahavage]

Wow, no wonder DR sucks so much, with the majority of you sounding like you're saying you're happy for people to not pull their weight and do the absolute bare minimum to get through a dungeon, and not even pay attention yourself half the time. Sorry but if I felt like someone was in there wanting a carry, they would get a kick. If you don't want to be in the dungeon, if it's so mind-numbingly boring that you can't be bothered to do it - then really you shouldn't be there. Don't go in and half-arse it and not do everything you could be doing to make that run a bit smoother/quicker.

This entire thread has made me so happy we can go into DR with pre-mades so I can go in with friends who are at least willing to put some effort in and make the dungeon interesting instead of not pulling their weight and expecting a carry.

[Ooshima]

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Healer's only job is to heal. To do anything else is a bonus.

Same goes to tank. Tanking is their main job, dealing more DPS is a bonus. Can I say those overgearred tanks who doesn't want to change their VIT accessories to STR accessories to deal more DPS are not pulling their weight and not putting in effort?

And we are talking about tam tara here, a lowbie dungeon mind you. With level sync the amount of effort and returns aren't worth my efforts as a healer (I play WHM mainly for healing). If we are talking about Lvl 50 dungeons then you'd see me Holy/Aero2/Aero the hell out of the mobs etc and earning 2-3 commendations for 4 man dungeons.

[Yahavage]

And we are talking about tam tara here, a lowbie dungeon mind you. With level sync the amount of effort and returns aren't worth my efforts as a healer (I play WHM mainly for healing). If we are talking about Lvl 50 dungeons then you'd see me Holy/Aero2/Aero the hell out of the mobs etc and earning 2-3 commendations for 4 man dungeons.

I dunno, I always do everything possible whatever level dungeon I'm playing, I don't see it as an excuse not to play to my best. If I can DPS, I will DPS, the returns will always be worth it as extra damage will always be worth it, imo.

Plus, and this is the main thing for me, not doing everything you can is what makes the dungeon boring - people complain about it being tedious, well it will be if you're just standing there chucking out the odd cure when you can be bothered :x

Also with regards to gear, no I wouldn't go so-far as to nit pick over gear, specifically for low-level dungeons (which seems to be the focus) where I don't think it's really possible to be 'over-geared' due to the way the level-sync works. I just want people to be mashing buttons when they could be mashing buttons instead of just standing there and not mashing buttons

[Kuwagami]

This entire thread has made me so happy we can go into DR with pre-mades so I can go in with friends who are at least willing to put some effort in and make the dungeon interesting instead of not pulling their weight and expecting a carry.

Too bad SE decided that low level, guildhests, trials and scenario wouldn't get the group DR.

Oh btw, a healer just healing IS pulling his weight. His job is done. Him DPSing is carrying others a bit (not that it's bad or good or anything, just saying.)

Edit, just because :

Also, that fact is neither a reason nor an excuse for you to go AFK while other people do the work for you.

You are healed, never on the verge of dieing, so healer's work is done. Wether you like it or not, they ARE doing their job. You can't force any healer to dps if they don't want to.

"Eos heals the party just fine without my help so I can just kick back and do nothing."

Didn't you just say that the duty is long and boring? If you were to DPS the mobs with the party (Yes you should be DPSing anyway, lazy) the duty would be over with much faster. Bio, Miasma, Ruin...take your pick. Doing nothing and going AFK regardless of your lame excuses, slows down the party and disrupts the game experience for those in it.

disrupt by what... hacking your computer so that you can't play anymore ? Because we aren't dpsing ?

"But I like to be able to talk to my friends in FC/LS1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 while I do a duty."

You are basically saying that neither your friends nor the party deserves your full attention. You know that right?
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SE first made this game without the ability to communicate in any chat other than party for this very reason. The only reason why SE allows it now is because too many of their subscribers are self-entitled children who steal their parents wallets to buy gil from RMTs because they are too lazy to make gil the mature way.

1) multitasking. Some people have it. Not hard to follow what's going on on screen while chatting on a chat which is on the same screen.

2) Nice attempt at trolling. "Your pet can solo heal so you afk, you must be a kid stealing parent's wallet to buy RMT's gils". Should I help you dig your hole ?

"Who are you to bark at us? Worry about your own gameplay"

I am. YOU are effecting it buy doing nothing.

again, we are healing. Maybe you should ask SE to remove the pets who are so OP that they can solo heal. Or maybe, if it really bothered you, you could pull more packs, so that the pet can't solo heal, thus forcing the player to act ? maybe ?

"Well then vote me out or just leave yourself."

You know what? That's not a bad idea. But before I do, i'm going to call a GM and tell them there is someone committing absent play in the party. Oh you don't believe it's against the game's rules? Ok then see for yourself (section 3.2): http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en

Have you ever read these rules ?
FYI : section 3.2 :

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

I.E : Hacking computers in order to alter someone's datas or to prevent them to play is forbidden. Tell me how you put "letting the pet solo heal" in that category ?

Anyone doing this in my party will get GMed. I will not give warning. I will just do it then vote kick. If the kick fails I will just leave and go do something productive that lazy slobs like you can't hinder.

Report abuse will get you in trouble sooner than the one you reported. I would strongly advise you not to do it.

[Yahavage]

Too bad SE decided that low level, guildhests, trials and scenario wouldn't get the group DR.

Oh btw, a healer just healing IS pulling his weight. His job is done. Him DPSing is carrying others a bit (not that it's bad or good or anything, just saying.)

Yes, I agree, it really is too bad, but I just kind of avoid doing them for the reasons I listed for the most part. Sometimes I will join in and it'll be good... but when you do Garuda on trials and you wipe because 4DPS and a healer couldn't be bothered to move out of the big vortex-dealies... it's quite sad, and makes you not want to bother.

Also, I would have to disagree with a healer just healing being a healer pulling their weight, again that's the bare minimum. You might as well say DPS are pulling their weight by just doing a 1-2-3 rotation and not popping any cooldowns (or, like in the case of Tam-Tara where we don't have many cooldowns, auto-attacking is just fine - it's really not).