I don't understand...

[Odett]

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Not playing up to par is definitely not subjective. If DPS aren't using core DPS skills, they're not playing up to par, if a healer keeps repeatedly letting the tank die and the tank is mitigating and it's only one batch of mobs, then the healer is not playing up to par. If a tank keeps dying from pulling too much, or if a healer is dying (provided they're not overhealing) because of enmity, then the tank isn't playing up to par.

You can't come to the conclusion that it was the action of a troll because I've come across MANY players just like that BLM that did not use core class skills and once I provided some advice, they actually took it and made an attempt to fix their rotation as the dungeon went on, which is very nice! Others have been very rude or just ignored me altogether. You can definitely go through 49 levels of content and not know a thing about your class if you don't read the skills, do FATEs, and only do the required story dungeons. Hell, getting to lv 50 means almost NOTHING because it is so easy to level up in this game compared to other MMOs, not to mention that classes don't feel "complete" until you get your lv 50 skills.

Play the game properly and use Party Finder. You can even set the pre-requisites to be as serious and "optimized" as you like instead of crying why everyone in Duty Finder(The most uncontrollable tool in the game.) can't be like you.

Why is DF not a "proper" way to play the game? There has been absolutely no one in this post that has forced someone to play like them. That right there is the argument made by people who think that putting in the least bit of effort is "optimizing".

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What I said had nothing to do with cross-class skills or anything you typed, so I would hope you actually read what I typed instead of quoting with improper intentions.

Duty Finder is most certainly a way to play the game; It is most certainly not the place nor proper reference to state an subjective and undefined claim of players not being up to par with themselves.

You're backing OP and OP is asking why DUTY finder; something without pre-requisites, it can't be filled with more people like him.

Optimization in this context truly falls within eye of the beholder; there is no excuse to ever complain during duty finder. No matter how incompetent you may someone to be.

Party Finder is everything you, OP, and a great handful of people here want. Why NOT use it? I use it, my friends use it. We set pre-requisites every single time and we get results. What you're doing is trying to beat unwanted advice, spout nonsensical examples of why everyone else is wrong.

Edit: Last post in this thread. May the twelve help you all.

[Odett]

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A) I have not said a single thing about cross class skills.

B) I just explained what not being up to par is

C) When you use Duty Finder, it's not expected that someone knows a fight. It is not expected that people will skip cutscenes (which new players who wish to view them have every right to do so) . It is definitely not expected that people will do speed runs. Is it nice when you get 3 other players that can do it? You bet, but players that try to force these will make a run longer than it could have been with regular pulls. If you want assurance on any of those things, that's exactly what PF is for. It can't be too much to expect people to perform their role, in DF, can it? The problem with the "if someone doesn't ask for advice, don't give it to them" mindset is that this is a social game. If someone is making the team wipe, or playing very poorly, and a player has a way to fix it, then they should always speak up. The "unwarranted advice should not be given" mindset encourages wipes and people not saying ANYTHING constructive in order to have a better run and just silently tackling a fight they just lost without changing or saying a single thing, and that's...well...insanity.

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C) When you use Duty Finder, it's not expected that someone knows a fight.

This is true up to (but not including) Titan HM. At this point, the mechanics simply get too complicated for me to explain in one or two minutes (I do quick expl. regularly, but this is the point where even I give up).

It is not expected that people will skip cutscenes (which new players who wish to view them have every right to do so) .

Personally, I agree. But have you been to Castrum lately? It has become even worse now that there is an option to auto-skip already-seen cutscenes. When someone identifies him-/herself as new, I immediately apologise for what they are about to experience.