I don't understand...

[Songi]

Can you imagine this tank doing T4 for example? It's these people who then cry how stuff needs to be nerfed (even though the whole party is overgeared by 5+ ilvls).

You might want to read this thread from the beginning. You'll be amazed!

Thanks! Since worlds are down I'll do just that.

[Tiggy]

So the issue being you couldn't adjust to his rotation, not surprised..

That isn't helpful. A tank who isn't holding hate isn't tanking. He isn't doing the basic core concept of his job and his 4 person team is failing for it. There is nothing the team can do to suddenly produce a tank to workaround the crappy one. In this instances the dungeon frequently ends in fail. Going to the extreme and expecting the other players to work around a literally useless tank is not possible. It's like having a healer who refuses to cast heals because that's not his style. No amount of working around that healer will produce healing enough to keep the party alive. Your ridiculous extremes do not help. You need to move somewhere near the middle.

[Foo01]

... He was using flash to pull and never using more than his 1-2-3 aggro chain on a single target in a group pull....
I eagerly await when he hits 50 and starts crying about elitists everywhere

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

[ispano]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Except not all mobs are sleepable, and a tank HAS to keep some form of AoE enmity on a group. Not just a single flash will do it. Just the healer healing normally will pull if that's all they do.

[Fated]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Have you ever tanked or healed before?

[Foo01]

Except not all mobs are sleepable, and a tank HAS to keep some form of AoE enmity on a group. Not just a single flash will do it. Just the healer healing normally will pull if that's all they do.

What AOE enmity does a GLA/PLD have in Tam-tata at level 17? So no they don't have to do AOE crap. Just slow it down. It is always the elitist speed runner that wants to force rush things and they is why they are always the problem.

Have you ever tanked or healed before?

I do both daily. And probably too much Brayflox HM no less see:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post2145003

And I get 3 commendations regularly, just like last night on my iLevel85 SCH, for full pull to top of the bridge speed run. I know how the crap works and I also know how it breaks. For some players you just got to ease up on the throttle to help them.

[OPneedNerfs]

What AOE enmity does a GLA/PLD have in Tam-tata at level 17? So no they don't have to do AOE crap. Just slow it down. It is always the elitist speed runner that wants to force rush things and they is why they are always the problem.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Flash

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/class/gladi...?ability=flash

http://xivdb.com/?skill/14/Flash

[ispano]

What AOE enmity does a GLA/PLD have in Tam-tata at level 17? So no they don't have to do AOE crap. Just slow it down. It is always the elitist speed runner that wants to force rush things and they is why they are always the problem.

They have Flash. And a Marauder has overpower AND can use Flash too. And yes they DO need to have SOME AoE enmity, otherwise the HEALER will be tanking. You DO know how enmity works from heals, don't you? I would hope so with you making arguments like that.

[Foo01]

They have Flash. And a Marauder has overpower AND can use Flash too. And yes they DO need to have SOME AoE enmity, otherwise the HEALER will be tanking. You DO know how enmity works from heals, don't you? I would hope so with you making arguments like that.

Flash works like crap at that level. Flash doesn't even begin to compare with overpower. And if the GLA/PLD needs to flash more that twice per pull on low level stuff like tam-tara then the rest of the group is not helping one bit. It is not the tanks job to manage all the enmity, it is a collective effort.

And there is no way flash can compete against level synced DPS with better gear, it just flat out does not work. Besides, at that level they are just learning their basic rotation, fast, savge, roh. Just doing that on one mob need about 5 secs. So just attack the target they are atttacking. Do not aggravate the situation with AOE crap. If flash twice and then get off one ROH chain on a single mob that is already 10 secs in to the engagment, it can't go any faster. So just ease up.

BTW I gladly tank a single mob that runs off of a tank. It is no big deal at that level. I can heal tank myself just fine. Or if I am using my SMN, titan or topaz can help. Or kite tank on my bard. It is ok to reduce the demand on the tank. It is definitely better than the cocky tank at that level that tries to pull 6 mobs and wipes everybody. It is ok to go slower. Elitist speed running stuff is the problem as it always have been.

The best advice to a new tank is: if the jerkwad DPS wants to grab aggro and they grab a mob, then they've bought it! Let them eat it. And don't stress over.

[Odett]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Using Flash one time is not enough on a group, especially if you do not rotate RoH between mobs. A lv 42 PLD has every option minus Circle of Scorn. Songi never said anything about rushing him with large AOE bombs. It is not elitist to have someone perform their role, because that is their ROLE.

"The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first."

That goes both ways, you know. What's easier, barking at the healer and DPS telling them to adapt to your lack of enmity management and having three people expecting to adjust to you, who can't perform your role, or realize that you're losing enmity on group pulls and use Flash more than once?