I don't understand...

[Seif]

You don't need skill to farm sold for gear. Why would you think that correlates with skill?

Gar EX was the first time I had to stop spamming skills that (apparently) were useless.
You can get really far into this game with just time and then you have to learn everything at once.

[Seiryuukishi]

Oh this is hilarious. Thanks for the laughs guys and gals! Nice to know you all still haven't grown up. It is precisely what makes me hate running dungeons in this game. One would think we would have grown out of these temper tantrums by now but it seems chaos wins out in the end. It's pathetic really. I hope some of you never have children. It would be sad to grow up trying to fulfill you're unrealistic expectations. Everyone else's lives do not revolve around your schedule. As far as the other side is concerned, show some respect as well. Unwinding after the day is great but to knowingly hinder other people for the sake of your own amusement is childish. I'd think you were taught better but by the nature of the posts I read such isn't the case. Either way people are going to do as they please. Such is free will.

[Foo01]

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I don't expect them to be on a "MLG" level, but I don't think it's too much to ask to just use a different strategy. I mean really, it's just 2 or 3 more buttons.

When did OP's expectation get distorted into this:

Lol so pressing 1,2,3 and slightly trying is being elite?

This what the BS elitist strawman looks like(they are so bad they can press 1,2,3...) This so bogus. This just means the so called bad players the don't press any buttons and just stands around. The OP is asking why people don't optimize. But it quickly turned into an excuse to bash other 99% players that are not to the elitists' liking.

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It is not fine to fuck up the experience of the other 3 players that have spent money on this game because you are "having a blast".
Rather get your buddies together and have a blast together so no one is bothered by your inability to understand that your actions have a direct impact on the enjoyment of the 3 players that rely on you.

What you are talking about are trolls. There are the mouthy types and then there are the silent ones. If they are repeatedly causing wipes, you can vote kick them.

On the other hand, there are players who are inexperienced, new, undergeared etc. If those players are learning, trying to adapt and getting wiped, then that is how the breaks go. They need a place to practice to "have a blast". Wipes are part of the game. If you don't like that, you can leave. Wipes are in no way impacting enjoyment, sometimes wipes are necessary for the enjoyment, since it should not always be about face-rolling content.

The problem are the elitist who have no patience and want to force speed runs. So what if the run takes all two hours if everyone it putting their earnest effort? What is so wrong that it is slower? Player need to learn to walk before they can run. Player will learn to add those 2 or 3 more skills to rotation once they sort things out (sometimes it is more involved figuring out how to organize the 20 odds skills on a controller etc. they are just not going to it instantly.) It takes time. And it does NOT matter if you only see them once on the DF. Do you want to leave a good impression or bad one? The key is that the enjoyment is playing together and helping each other and making friends. That should be more important than gear, tomestone, speed runs etc.

[SDaemon]

You really shouldn't try to define my job's role off of a single ability, because it greatly increases the likelihood that I'm going to stare at you like you've said something that makes zero sense. Like what I'm doing now.

It is Gormogon. Zero sense is to be expected from him.

[OmniEx]

It is Gormogon. Zero sense is to be expected from him.

100k to anyone who can quote a post from him that's ever made sense.

[Luxx]

ITT:
People who can't ignore "trolls" and goad them on and have a meaningless conversations
only to stir the pot and get heated up lol. Anyways all I'ma say is:

Tank
Healer
DPS (Caster/Melee)
Support (Bard)

Would be cool if they actually were, but they are not lol.
They messed up bard in this game and their support skills aka songs are barely used.

[Gormogon]

Would be cool if they actually were, but they are not lol.
They messed up bard in this game and their support skills aka songs are barely used.

I know they ain't but it's still hilarious.

That -20% damage dealt penalty really sucks.

[Viridiana]

I know they ain't but it's still hilarious.

That -20% damage dealt penalty really sucks.

So, you know they aren't, but repeatedly said they are? Pretty sure we have a word for that. . .

[OmniEx]

So, you know they aren't, but repeatedly said they are? Pretty sure we have a word for that. . .

Everyone already knows that Gormogon has no idea what he's talking about (4 roles wtf) but the conversation is getting quite off-topic now.

[mandy316]

This is my first MMO and I really like it but I am so confused so if I suck now and suck at level 50 it not for lack of effort but people taking a fun game world and trying to make it so serious just turns me off to the whole thing, the real world is serious but can l please just have some stress free fun away from that