I don't understand...

[Kerberon]

When I was farming my animus I didn't go and make new tanks life impossible when I got Satasha or Tam-Tara simply because they couldn't deal with the enmity dealt from Fire I crit. In fact I found use for css ruin, which I found to be hilarious, and made the new tanks job less stressful instead of being an elitist jerk and telling him he should try and force the notion of a rotation on him. I have no reason to start a players day with stress or end it with stress just to gratify my selfish needs for a piece of gear.

I started as a tank. That's a horrible way to treat a new tank. You need to treat them to what the mechanics are. Yeah you can give them a couple seconds on a pull, but not giving them advice about fast blade > savage blade, hitting flash twice to open things up and flashing again every couple combo's only hurts everyone. You hurt them as they aren't given a real situation to learn their class in. You hurt the server as there is now another tank that wasn't taught the basics at low levels. You hurt the game as people that get frustrated from bad groups may get frustrated enough to quit. You hurt everyone. You are no different in toxicity to the guy that starts swearing and calling the tank a noob. Different side of the spectrum just as harmful. Don't purposely try to pull aggro but do your normal rotation (as far as the skills that you have at that level) don't gimp yourself down to be "nice" to the tank, you aren't being nice, you are being extremely harmful.

[Gormogon]

That's a horrible way to treat a new tank.

Yeah I'm so gonna tell a level 15 Gladiator to step it up against a level sync'd job. He's totally gonna be looking forward to the next 35 levels after that experience.

[abzoluut]

You hurt them as they aren't given a real situation to learn their class in.

It amazes me this isn't comon sense for everyone. Unfortunately the word elitist gets thrown out there by people every possible chance they get. When you try to make them understand it's okay to give advice, you'll get the "do you give advice kindly, or boss them around" discussion.

[Gormogon]

It amazes me this isn't comon sense for everyone. Unfortunately the word elitist gets thrown out there by people every possible chance they get. When you try to make them understand it's okay to give advice, you'll get the "do you give advice kindly, or boss them around" discussion.

Yeah and that common sense sure gets everyone wondering where all the tanks and healers are in MMO's.

[Songi]

Yeah I'm so gonna tell a level 15 Gladiator to step it up against a level sync'd job. He's totally gonna be looking forward to the next 35 levels after that experience.

This is exactly what I told a lv 42 PLD in Stone Vigil earlier today after he totally went off on the entire party. We tried our hardest to give him good advice in the most polite manner. He was using flash to pull and never using more than his 1-2-3 aggro chain on a single target in a group pull. Healer ended up tanking more of the dungeon than him. He started calling us backseat players and other stuff so we left him to his own devices. I eagerly await when he hits 50 and starts crying about elitists everywhere.

[Gormogon]

This is exactly what I told a lv 42 PLD in Stone Vigil earlier today after he totally went off on the entire party. We tried our hardest to give him good advice in the most polite manner. He was using flash to pull and never using more than his 1-2-3 aggro chain on a single target in a group pull. Healer ended up tanking more of the dungeon than him. He started calling us backseat players and other stuff so we left him to his own devices. I eagerly await when he hits 50 and starts crying about elitists everywhere.

So the issue being you couldn't adjust to his rotation, not surprised..

[OPneedNerfs]

So the issue being you couldn't adjust to his rotation, not surprised..

Yeah, should've just not healed the tank at all. Let him die and wonder why the healer wasn't healing.

[Kerberon]

Yeah, should've just not healed the tank at all. Let him die and wonder why the healer wasn't healing.

Don't take it to the other extreme, that's not helpful either.

[abzoluut]

This is exactly what I told a lv 42 PLD in Stone Vigil earlier today after he totally went off on the entire party. We tried our hardest to give him good advice in the most polite manner. He was using flash to pull and never using more than his 1-2-3 aggro chain on a single target in a group pull. Healer ended up tanking more of the dungeon than him. He started calling us backseat players and other stuff so we left him to his own devices. I eagerly await when he hits 50 and starts crying about elitists everywhere.

Can you imagine this tank doing T4 for example? It's these people who then cry how stuff needs to be nerfed (even though the whole party is overgeared by 5+ ilvls).

You might want to read this thread from the beginning. You'll be amazed!

[Transmigration]

Because not everyone plays for the sole reason to be #1 and have an obsession over max number dps rotations.

This is why I prefer the old format for grouping which consisted on just getting the bodies to do the content and having a blast.

As for people complaining about bads, take into consideration that they are the ones funding your current habits as well.

There are both complex and simple rotations for a lot of classes. My monk for example will do consistent dps with just 2 different 3 ability combos spammed over and over again. It's not optimal, but it's better than just hitting 1 over and over again. There is no excuse for that. People should strive to do well at everything they do, whether it's playing a game or skipping rocks. There is no reason I should be doubling people in dps in 4 mans even with my lazy rotation, and yet it happens all the time.