Gun-blade wielding tank for upcoming job?

[Kitru]

I have to disagree with the gun-blade being used by high ranked Garleans, however. We see gunblades being used as early as the Centurion (and those guys are pretty tanky too). With the defeat of the Garlean outposts, they could easily explain the abundance of these weapons from equipment left over after Gaius' defeat.

Level is not an indicator of rank. It's an indicator of timeline progression. Centurions *are* high ranking Garlean soldiers; they're only low level because you encounter them earlier on. The lore states that gunblades are the weapons of the Garlean elite. There wouldn't make sense for there to be an abundance of them. It's also important to remember where exactly they would need to drop from: you'd need to have gunblades dropping from the various dungeons (the only dungeons that have anything to do with the Garleans are CM and Prae; everything else is driven by the storyline involving the primals) as well as having GC gunblades as well as gunblades being provided at every vendor elsewhere.

You'd have to explain why, all of the sudden, Garlean magitek weaponry suddenly became as common in Eorzea as axes and spears. Adding a class to use something more realistically "basic" can be easily explained as to why you're adding it: they had been selling them the entire time, but you were never interested in them because there wasn't a class that could use them (e.g. you're not proficient and couldn't become proficient so why would you care?).

I fail to see how a hammer/mace/club could provide more of a contrast to existing weapons (you know, swords and axes) in terms of gameplay mechanics than a sword with a gun attached to it.

Weapon in no way dictates the playstyle for a class/job beyond a general theme. With minimal effort you could create a gunblade class simply by cloning GLA and tweaking Shield Lob such that it causes you to fire the gun portion instead of throwing your shield. Animations, aesthetics, and gear don't determine playstyle; what determines playstyle is the effects and interactions of the abilities themselves and those are completely independent of weapon choice.

Gunblades are less likely to get a class before any of those weapons I mentioned mainly because gunblades are just extremely specialized swords (even moreso than 2h swords). A hammer is a completely different weapon type than anything currently being used rather than a different take on an existing one. Gunblade is just a fancy subtype of sword. I seriously doubt they're going to add a subtype of an existing weapon before they've started getting to the bottom of the barrel on entirely new weapon types.

A 2 handed sword would be spectacular for a DPS character, or a dark knight style tank

I actually think that we're likely to get a 2h sword class at some point (and I'm expecting it to be DRK if only because ), and I'm reasonably confident that it will be a tank rather than a DPS mainly because there aren't that many "tank-y" weapons out there but you can really argue that any weapon is viable for a DPS class/job.

[RickmanUK]

You'd have to explain why, all of the sudden, Garlean magitek weaponry suddenly became as common in Eorzea as axes and spears. Adding a class to use something more realistically "basic" can be easily explained as to why you're adding it: they had been selling them the entire time, but you were never interested in them because there wasn't a class that could use them (e.g. you're not proficient and couldn't become proficient so why would you care?).

Only thing i can Think of too Negate this Single Bit is... to never have you Change Weapon, Make the Weapon "Levelable" or Upgradable with bits from other weapons that are compatable from Dungeons or even upgradable with only the Class Quests.. so essentially all your doing is unlocking more Power on the weapon.

There are ways too add them too the Game, But i don't think it would be a Class too itself, More Drops of Weapons from a Garlean Themed Raid/Dungeon.

[kujowaltz]

You'd have to explain why, all of the sudden, Garlean magitek weaponry suddenly became as common in Eorzea as axes and spears

Los noscea is crawling with pirates and gun wielding, low level enemies. Merlwyb uses a gun. How hard could it be for a black smith to take one of the widely available guns/muskets/etc and attach a blade? Shoot, Garlean gun-blades could just account for a few high level weapons....If Eorzeans can make guns, what's stopping them from attaching a blade?

Your argument about subbing shield lob for a bullet, etc. can just as easily be reversed to say you can just substitute a hammer for an axe, use all the same animations for WAR and boom, new class. What I'm saying is: just as many enemies have skills used by players, there are enemies that have skills and animations players may perhaps use. Combine the gun based animations of limsa pirates, sword based actions of GLD and gun-blade unique skills from garleans and you have a gun-blade class.

[Kitru]

Los noscea is crawling with pirates and gun wielding, low level enemies. Merlwyb uses a gun.

Where exactly are you seeing this plethora of gun wielding enemies? Virtually all of the low level pirates in LN use axes. I can't think of a single low level enemy that uses a gun. In fact, the only gun using people I can think of are Merlwyb, the thief at the end of the goldsmith quest line, and the first boss of Pharos. Of those, the only "animations" are the 2 gun attacks that the first boss of Pharos uses (the CS animations are ridiculously simply and basically amount to "I stretched my arm out").

Guns are not "common". They're pretty rare, in fact.

Also, the guns that the Eorzeans have are early form blunderbusses and flintlocks. They're the most basic firearms imaginable.

How hard could it be for a black smith to take one of the widely available guns/muskets/etc and attach a blade? Shoot, Garlean gun-blades could just account for a few high level weapons....If Eorzeans can make guns, what's stopping them from attaching a blade?

Gunblades are not simply guns with swords attached to them. They are magitek weapons, which is why they don't need to be reloaded and are exclusive to Garleans.

[whiskeybravo]

Where exactly are you seeing this plethora of gun wielding enemies?

There are those "sniper" enemies in Brayflox HM.. Though, I don't really know if they are using a gun or if it's a crossbow or something. And they aren't exactly "low-level".. Just wanted to throw it out there, not stir the pot (obviously they aren't gunblades) xD

One situation where we might have a gunblade class in the future, similar to Yugiri, deserter from a foreign land. Maybe a Garlean deserter decides to teach Eorzeans the secrets of making magitek gunblades. Kind of a meh idea, since it would be too similar to Yugiri's story, but something to that effect.

[kujowaltz]

One situation where we might have a gunblade class in the future, similar to Yugiri, deserter from a foreign land. Maybe a Garlean deserter decides to teach Eorzeans the secrets of making magitek gunblades. Kind of a meh idea, since it would be too similar to Yugiri's story, but something to that effect.

Yeah that's something I suggested, and I think it could work. There are houses in Mor Dhona that currently cannot be entered but a future guild there would be interesting - occupied by Garlean refugees, teaching adventurers how to wield their weapons, etc like you said. It would require players to have progressed quite far in the game to access however....Yugiri's story and possible inclusion in the dagger job quests could just add to an overall theme for the patch that the jobs are included on. A Garlean/Garlemald theme leading up to the expansion

[kujowaltz]

Guns are not "common". They're pretty rare, in fact.

So then how are they going to justify getting a gun-class in the first place? It's happening. If freaking goblins can get them.... I'm trying to justify how and why, but you disregard every reasonable idea. What's your possible justification for where these guns will be coming from? If not themselves, or the Garleans, then where? My point is if there are going to be guns, attaching a blade is easy.

Will it be DPS? Maybe its a chemist healer using a gun. Maybe its a gun wielding red mage. Maybe its power rangers. Yoshida said it will not be what people are expecting so I'm coming up with non-obvious solutions. The fact so many people disagree with a gun-blade tank make it even more likely based on stances like yours alone.

[kujowaltz]

Ok lets seperate this.
Lore wise - there are many npc's with guns in los nocea, mentions of pirates, canons...
Enemy wise - low level instances (dungeons and class quest), Brayflox, Garleans.

The 'crawling' was a combination of lore and what we see. We may not fight a ton, but its vastly more than whips, clubs, hammers. Nero uses a hammer but essentially identical warrior models for physical attacks.

What is your ideal scenario for where these guns will be coming from?

[kujowaltz]

I actually think that we're likely to get a 2h sword class at some point (and I'm expecting it to be DRK if only because ), and I'm reasonably confident that it will be a tank rather than a DPS mainly because there aren't that many "tank-y" weapons out there but you can really argue that any weapon is viable for a DPS class/job.

I could see it going either way...

2 handed sword implies damage at the cost of defense. DRK is also known for their sacrificing defense/hp for extra damage. It would also give us the first sword based DPS

But lots of classes can currently risk damage taken by damage given as a DPS. A tank following the darkness system from ffiv would be very interesting....hmmm...

Both roles would be extremely fun and I would main a DRK in a heartbeat