Be honest -- how long did the new relic quest line take to develop?

[saber_alter]

> implying obtaining atma is hard work

wut?

do you know where my sanity is? i can't find it. i think atma stole it.

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[WingsofWar]

Back then when game was new and people were not overgeared so you had to carry your own weight in RQ you better had atleast your Ifrit weapon and DL or else the tank would leave. Just saying. So there were no 30 ilvl jump. 20 at best as you really wanted ATLEAST Ifrit weapon before taking on Titan.

right i remember, but @ the start of relic reborn we didn't have a primal weapon, at the start our best to obtain was a i55 obtained from wanderers. Sure by the time you actually GOT your relic you had already obtained a Garuda or titan weapon with equal power, and the next highest tier was i90 with both Allegan weapon and Reliic+1. So from start to finish it was a nearly a 30lvl jump. For Atma at the start we ALREADY have i90 weapon capable of taking on all the hard content already including SCOB, so the progression scale isn't at all the same. Its also a 10lvl jump to Animus.

The point on making is theres no reason for Atma to be anywhere near challenging in difficulty like relic reborn.

[Epistane]

right i remember, but @ the start of relic reborn we didn't have a primal weapon, at the start our best to obtain was a i55 obtained from wanderers. Sure by the time you actually GOT your relic you had already obtained a Garuda or titan weapon with equal power, and the next highest tier was i90 with both Allegan weapon and Reliic+1. So from start to finish it was a nearly a 30lvl jump. For Atma at the start we ALREADY have i90 weapon capable of taking on all the hard content already including SCOB, so the progression scale isn't at all the same. Its also a 10lvl jump to Animus.

The point on making is theres no reason for Atma to be anywhere near challenging in difficulty like relic reborn.

True I understand what you're saying.. But there's no need to make it as boring/lame as fate grinding no?

[Pence]

Did people not ask to go 'travel outside of RT'?

Did people not ask to have more horizontal/multiple progression options?

Did people not want various ways to level?

I think Atma achieves all 3 of these. 2.1 really killed FATE leveling, and 2.2 gave it a nice jolt - not massive, but enough to be viable. End of the day it's an optional quest for an alternate weapon.



What do you suggest they add for a relic quest? The way I see it; they want it to be something that's not as fast as Zenith to get, and something everyone can progressively work towards.

[peaches]

Its funny, I thought the Atma "questline" would mean there are a lot more people out doing FATEs... Not so. For at least 80% of the time for the ones I attempted I was either solo or with just my IRL friend. I was asking in Shout every couple minutes, I was in Party Finder. Then after grinding an area for 5 hours all of a sudden 6 people would join me in PF. Then all get theirs in 20 mins to an hour, leaving me to solo the level 50 boss fates in Outter LaNoscea...

I honestly dislike FATEs. To the point where I almost hate them. But to make me grind for 9 hours on FATEs solo without getting a single Atma piece? That is not fun in any way, so I say screw the Animus. It sucks for my class anyways. Maybe I'll attempt it again later on my Scholar when they let us swap the crap stats for useful ones, and hopefully make it easier to obtain. But until then, no freaking thanks. In the same time I could be doing dungeons or Coils and gearing out my other classes to i90.

[khovel]

Must kill 15 rare orochus in south shroud but only pop on thursdays @ 3pm pst. and when you get there only 5 spawned so you essentially have to spend 3 weeks to finish that particular log. Thats easy, you can see the progression, and its long and drawn out till the next patch.

This it isn't made for casual players.

Lets put it in this persepective. What if, instead of thursdays @ 3pm pst, they decide, "Hey, we've noticed a lot of people running the new coil at 8pm pst on Tuesday nights. Lets make this mob that is required for progression only spawn at 8:30pm pst, so that way people will have to choose between their coil group running half an hour or more later, or running on time. Or better yet, we notice most of our fanbase only plays between the hours of 5pm pst and 12am pst, So lets make this mob spawn right at 8am pst. That'll get more people to play"

[BunnyChain]

A warrior of light, brave hero/-ine, mole whacker and slayer of cute little fluffy things. Oh no, the wasps are attacking again!
(it took me a bit to get my Atma from Middle la Noscea)
But if you think farming FATEs for hours is stupid, wait till you have to wait hours for that one FATE to spawn.

Please look forward to it.

[Ransu]

That isn't my complaint. I don't mind time consuming aspects. But they just reused the exact same things we were doing for the last 8 months of the game and called it "new content."

They are trying to keep FATES relevant...at least in the low level areas. I hardly ever saw anyone doing fates in the late 30's+ =/

[peaches]

A warrior of light, brave hero/-ine, mole whacker and slayer of cute little fluffy things. Oh no, the wasps are attacking again!
(it took me a bit to get my Atma from Middle la Noscea)
But if you think farming FATEs for hours is stupid, wait till you have to wait hours for that one FATE to spawn.

Please look forward to it.

You have NO IDEA how stuff like this bugs me.

Our character basically single handedly takes out the Garlean forces and all the primals multiple times. Yet there are quests AT LEVEL 50 where they force us to be servers or waiters, bringing people their food, talking to one person and relaying a message to the original quest person WHEN THEY'RE BOTH IN THE SAME LINKSHELL! You communicate with them both through your story line linkshell all the time, yet not only can they seem to not be able to talk to each other, you can't relay the message through it either. Does it have a daily charge or something, limited uses?

There are quests where we have to pick up items right beside the NPC who wants them, collect and deliver people's luggage, perfume a damned chocobo because somebody finds them smelly. Don't they have servants for this type of thing? Do they need to send their number one Primal slayer, the savior of Eorzea?

I go to Gridania and see this gate with two guards and no way in. I decide to talk to them and they tell me it is the Gridanian Residential area and that dirty adventurer peasants like me have no business being there and that he will "deal with me" or some such if I try. As if he could even scuff me armour, but the attitude alone! I am personal friends with Kan-E-Senna, the ruler of Gridania. I've saved your butts from your Primal problem. I've went out and /poked and /tickled sylphs for some reason. The people love me. Yet I'm still a filthy adventurer, and the guards think I would offend the Gridanian people with my presence.

Well if I had my choice, I'd say screw the lot of them! I'd go out on my own, maybe visit Garlemald and become their new leader (regardless of who tries to stand in my way there), then lead my own invasion force! That'll show them for forcing menial labour on me and not showing me the respect I deserve!

Ah who am I kidding... I'm too busy, I've got some ladybugs somebody wants me to slay.

[faris]

Truthfully, Zenith onward reminds me of trial of the magians (the worst thing that ever happened to xi) over again. Not for the sake of "go here, kill 50 of these while a stupid weather effect that takes hours to come and a minute to disappear is active, come back for upgrade", more like "we're not actually giving you any content here."

On one hand, it's disappointing- and not something I'd expect from a game that's not even a year old. On the other, they're working on the ishgard expansion, continuing main scenario, coming out with some new dungeons, as well as acquiescing to half of the requests the players are submitting regarding stuff like vanity, mounts, hairstyle clipping, etc etc etc. I can sort of see why some areas of the game are being rushed through on the development team's part.