Be honest -- how long did the new relic quest line take to develop?

[Marxam]

An old meme but basically sums up how game development works in mmo's (and other genre's as well).

[Lemuria]

As tedious as it is, it was clever thinking on their part to do it this way, with the least amount of time and effort. They made an idea of an item desirable, to most of the players, while making us go back to content that most would never touch again once they leveled their desired class/job to 50 or completed a dungeon just once.

There's nothing clever about realising that half the players were ignoring low level content such as FATEs because they're tedious, and then forcing them down our throats.

Also, it's not a 'desirable' item. It's a stepping stone to the real desirables which have yet to come. Considering the amount of hard work you have to go through to get these, you'd expect them to at LEAST be on par with the upgraded wave weapons... But no. They're not.

[WingsofWar]

There's nothing clever about realising that half the players were ignoring low level content such as FATEs because they're tedious, and then forcing them down our throats.

Also, it's not a 'desirable' item. It's a stepping stone to the real desirables which have yet to come. Considering the amount of hard work you have to go through to get these, you'd expect them to at LEAST be on par with the upgraded wave weapons... But no. They're not.

> implying obtaining atma is hard work

wut?

[Epistane]

Due to the power of a relic, it is actually supposed to take a long time to get it. They did not originally intend for the Zenith to be so quickly achieved, but it happened.

Zenith aka +1 was definitely not easy to get when the game first came out, that's why you'd see groups selling titan HM like crazy. And im sure what the OP is talking about is the WAY you get atma/animus.

You grind fates for hours for a low drop chance. Time consuming or low drop chance isn't the problem, it's the fact that all we do is grind fates for hours upon hours. I'm supposed to be upgrading my "relic".. why the hell do i have to pick up cactuar leaves and then hand it over to some bum?

At least getting zenith (which was hard back then or at least titan HM was) required u to fight different boss encounters and what not. Dat feel when u finally downed titan hm, got ur relic while everyone else on server was still using garuda/ifrit weapons... yeah

But now. Mindlessly grind fates for hours... whoa so cool bro

[Luxx]

Due to the power of a relic, it is actually supposed to take a long time to get it. They did not originally intend for the Zenith to be so quickly achieved, but it happened.

You want a perfect example of why the relic should be originally harder to get, take a look at how many weapons exist at 50 that become useless once you get your relic. They were intended to fill that gap as you went through the steps for the relic, but the relic was so easily obtained they are now just rare drop skins in these dungeons.

People had to use Titan sellers because back in the day no one could pass HM Titan..and people still can't today.
You also had to PT up for Chimera, Hydra and that good stuff, they didn't have the DF version I believe.
So it was pretty rough back then, but not too much. Atma isn't really "hard" it's dedication and time must be on your hands.
Oh and yeah, it's boring as hell.

I just don't find Atma's fun so I opt out on it. Just will casually do a FATE...or not, depends on my mood lol.

[Nuinn]

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"How can we reuse old content and make players go back to it and spend as little time and money on it while we focus on other stuff" <--- That's why it's clever. For them. They could have fixed the tedious fates, made old dungeons appealing to us again etc. but it would most likely take considerably more time to think and apply the solution to that. Furthermore, it was clever cause they knew the majority of us would swallow it.

It's why I said they've sold us on an an idea of an item desirable, to most of the players. It's not out but we know that if we don't take their "quick fix" we won't have the end product, eventually.... and they know it too.

[WingsofWar]

id have preferred a large hunting log of rare but easy mobs of a timed spawned based on day of the week and local time. like....

Must kill 15 rare orochus in south shroud but only pop on thursdays @ 3pm pst. and when you get there only 5 spawned so you essentially have to spend 3 weeks to finish that particular log. Thats easy, you can see the progression, and its long and drawn out till the next patch.

in any case, the atma/animus questline should be made easy..not like the original relic since your not jumping 30ilvls from end game i45/50/55 to i80.

[Lunavi]

id have preferred a large hunting log of rare but easy mobs of a timed spawned based on day of the week and local time. like....

Must kill 15 rare orochus in south shroud but only pop on thursdays @ 3pm pst. and when you get there only 5 spawned so you essentially have to spend 3 weeks to finish that particular log. Thats easy, you can see the progression, and its long and drawn out till the next patch.

in any case, the atma/animus questline should be made easy..not like the original relic since your not jumping 30ilvls from end game i45/50/55 to i80.

Back then when game was new and people were not overgeared so you had to carry your own weight in RQ you better had atleast your Ifrit weapon and DL or else the tank would leave. Just saying. So there were no 30 ilvl jump. 20 at best as you really wanted ATLEAST Ifrit weapon before taking on Titan.

[Riion]

Atma farming is terribly uncreative and mind-numbing. It's a million times worse on a server that doesn't have a huge population, too. Who the hell, after leveling up their character, wants to level sync and kill goats in Eastern Thanalan for hours upon hours on end? I don't mind a progressive grind, but the rng associated with atmas is crap. If I wanted that, I'd go play Diablo III. I want the game to continue to succeed, but I'm not going to continue to pay to pretend I'm level 20 again...

[Shenandoah]

I agree farming atma is mind-numbing (I have 1 animus and 2 atmas, on 11/12 on my 4th grind at the moment) but the whole zodiac questline is more than just obtaining animus, no? I doubt it's half a day XD