Question on Scholar's pet

[fanservice]

That *is* correcting you because you're acting as if you should bring Eos to content where you have to focus ST heal...

Two things:

1: I've never specified ST healing in my first post. Don't pretend I did.
2:

you're acting as if

Not going to engage in the semantics of how my words sound to you since your interpretation seems to be off as shown in #1.



One more thing since you decided to bring this up:

bring Selene because you're not reducing your ST healing effectiveness by doing so (the spell speed buff provide the same benefit over time as the +healing buff).

Technically, you are because you don't have access to a HOT with a ~33% uptime that can work on a single tank getting beat on (sounds like regen, does it not?) as well as anyone else in range of whispering dawn. Even moreso if it happens to be a warrior.

So, you're technically wrong on that end.

Good day.

[Kitru]

Technically, you are because you don't have access to a HOT with a ~33% uptime that can work on a single tank getting beat on (sounds like regen, does it not?) as well as anyone else in range of whispering dawn.

WD is 700 cPot every 60 seconds. For ST purposes, that's an extra 400 cPot every minute, or 16.67/GCD. Fey Illumination is a 3.33% increase to total healing over time. Both of these are assuming you're using them on cooldown (which you're not going to because that's exactly what Eos does on Sic which is why you *don't* put her on Sic).

A SCH with pet can manage ~910 cPot/GCD without factoring in CDs. Eos adds an extra 16.67 and a 1.033 multiplier, or 957.25 cPot/GCD.

Selene will increase your healing by 2.5% and increase kill speed by 2.5% (reducing healing required), which puts her ST contributions at 910 * 1.025 / (1 - .025) = 956.67.

That's less than 1 cPot/GCD difference and only when you're using Eos's abilities in an unrealistic manner (you actually *want* Eos to use her abilities on CD like the AI manages so that's her actual contribution). For ST healing purposes, Eos and Selene are effectively identical (in practice, Selene is actually slightly better).

Even moreso if it happens to be a warrior.

Seriously? Do you honestly think that WAR has some healing advantage over PLD (or that WAR somehow magnifies the value of WD or HoTs more than it magnifies the value of any other heal)? Just... stop it. Please. You don't know what you're talking about. WAR is actually at a slight disadvantage compared to PLD where potency driven heals are concerned (20% DR is effectively 25% +healing; WAR only has 20%).

So, yeah, if you want to get technical, get math so that you can actually prove it.

[givemeraptors]

That's not an excuse.
Hots stack.
WHMs need to spend MP.
Our fairy doesn't......
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.....That's just your opinion.
Mine is that increasing the healing done by you, your fairy, and the nearby WHM (or SCH, and their Eos, who could use their fey illumination after) in full parities can take the pressure off of an intense damage period, like T1 which is still absurd levels of boss damage to a tank.

I'm not making excuses. It is a blatant fact that WHM AoE is superior. If you have properly Galvanized your entire party and dumped Sacred Soil over them, a pre-casted Succor and Medica II (backed by Divine Seal, of course) should fully heal your party. If there are any stragglers, EITHER fairy + the now ticking Medica II HoTs should be more than enough. If you're only JUST meeting the gear requirements, either healer can Swiftcast or hardcast an extra AoE heal. Anything more than that and your party is taking too much avoidable damage in which case the problem is not which fairy you're using but party derps. Then there are ways your party can make your life easier. Is MNK switching to Fists of Earth for the big unavoidable hits? Is your BLM using Manawall/Manaward? Is Virus up? Is Eye for Eye being rotated amongst your casters?

If I find myself needing to use Eos it's because:

1) I have to make up for the shortcomings in my party e.g. the DPS can't dodge, and the Tank couldn't mitigate a snowball;
2) The other healer died and I am now soloing;
3) I want to pretend I'm a DPS (although 85% chance I'm still using Selene anyway).

I don't even use Eos for Bray speedruns, that is how unnecessary I find her healing boost.

[Tranquil]

Also, you really don't need to micromanage Selene unless you're specifically trying to get her to use her interrupt at a specific moment (not really a major use for her, in my experience since it's on a 1 min CD).

While it's true you don't really need to micro Selene intensely to get decent enough results, not doing so is very detrimental to the overall HPS she dishes out. Also, Silent Dusk is on a 40s CD, not 1 min.

[...]and the healing AI is perfectly fine (if Eos isn't healing someone, it's because their hp is above 90% and whatever heal you're throwing at them is already likely to be wasted; I have yet to see a situation where macroing was actually going to help because any time I need to have Eos spam into a single target with me, her AI already has her doing so

The auto-Embrace HP threshold is certainly not 90%, more along the lines of 75-80% (haven't tested this of late).

Regardless, spamming one's Embrace (or target's target Embrace if DPSing) on cooldown is one of the essentials and something a SCH main should get used to doing, because not proactively Embracing means that you will need to cast manual heals in the greater quantities, hindering your multitasking/off-DPSing abilities. Embrace is a good heal, but precasting it when someone is at full HP to 'not-below-the-auto-Embrace-threshold' is one of the very basics to keeping up with Embraces alone easier, allowing the SCH their own GCDs to be used as they please - usually in the form of off-DPS. This is one of the reasons why I would also never limit myself to having Eos-only on Obey, but also microing Selene 100% of the times.

[fanservice]

Selene will increase your healing by 2.5%

Under the assumption you're spamming heals... which is inherently wrong/unnecessary to do in the majority content.

I remember the mantra of 'spell speed != throughput' originated from these healing forums...

That's less than 1 cPot/GCD difference and only when you're using Eos's abilities in an unrealistic manner

What's even more unrealistic is the need to chaincast heals every 30 seconds for selene's "throughput" to be what you claim it to be.

Seriously? Do you honestly think that WAR has some healing advantage over PLD (or that WAR somehow magnifies the value of WD or HoTs more than it magnifies the value of any other heal)?

Splitting hairs over something that's not even the main point of the post. Point being illumination+whispering dawn is a tangible increase to healing output. It's not necessary at times, but it is there.

[Vena_Sera]

I really die a little inside when schs say they don't use eos because selene is a "dps" boost. The boost itself is minimal and you'll more than likely TP starve your melee (mainly monks) a good deal faster. The benifits of using eos FAR outways the mediocre speed buff selene gives. And as for her silence, good luck getting that to work 100% of the time.

[Raeanya]

I really die a little inside when schs say they don't use eos because selene is a "dps" boost. The boost itself is minimal and you'll more than likely TP starve your melee (mainly monks) a good deal faster. The benifits of using eos FAR outways the mediocre speed buff selene gives. And as for her silence, good luck getting that to work 100% of the time.

So, are you saying that Selene is completely useless in 100% of situations?

[Vena_Sera]

So, are you saying that Selene is completely useless in 100% of situations?

False, I'm saying that, in a scenario where you are trying to weigh the benefits of the two, Eos always comes out on top. Having Eos for her cds is not only more mana efficient on your part, but your other healer's as well. If you want a dps boost then cleric stance is the way to go

[Alistaire]

Why don't we just stop bickering about everyone's bad math and say what kind of content you'd use which fairy in:

Coil 1-5: Selene unless solo-healing, or if the party is derpy and/or undergeared.
Primals HM: ditto
All roulettes: again, ditto
Primals EX: Eos, maybe Selene with good party
Coil 6+: ditto

See the pattern? If you're overgeared and/or echo buffed for the event, Selene, if not Eos.

[Alistaire]

...where you are trying to weigh the benefits of the two, Eos always comes out on top

Often in ways that aren't relevant to the situation.