DPS Tool

[Pooky_Pasha]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up. Something other than anecdotal evidence or personal bias, as neither of those are reliable sources of information.

Anyway, all a standardized dps parser would do is...nothing except make dps reads more accurate. They are used regardless of ToS, and people still get harassed and get kicked from parties for poor performances. If there were a standardized dps parser, and you're still getting harassed for your poor performance, you can still screenshot/report. Or you can improve your gameplay, but that may take a little work.

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

If used correctly, it's called accountability. If a player wants to participate in a raid, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve if they are holding the group back, or get dismissed from the group. Heck, even if the group is doing ok, but that person has huge room for improvement, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve. If people are wanting to raid, they should expect to be held accountable for their performances. It's just that with dps, there has to be a parser involved. Parsers just happen to also provide useful performance information for tanks and healers as well.

[Gormogon]

I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up.

All I have to use is common sense

Who used a parser? Raiders
Who don't use a parser? casual gamers

Curse + "not saying"progress.com. There's a lot of DPS meters being downloaded especially overall and monthly and I know for sure everyone downloading them aren't doing it because they are raiders or because they need it to improve but because it's a "requirement".

Progression happens at it's own pace. In FFXIV just like any other games there will be players that can down the new raid bosses the first week, the second week, or by the 3rd week. Yet the rest that wont by the time the next thing is introduced echo buff or some sort of "nerf" is needed for them to catch up. Then there's those that even with a buff they wont down it regardless of what they used because the only way they will progress is if they get carried.

Yet Parsers aren't used for just "muh hardest coil" it's used on primals it's used on dungeons and it's not used to better anything.

Rotations are something you memorize so that already kills the necessity of parsers.

There's a way better tool for mechanics and that's called Deadly Boss Mods, something that isn't in FFXIV yet, yet that's a way better tool and one I'd try and promote over "dps meters". How many times has it been brought up in this thread to "help" people again? Rarely if not at all.

All the scenarios you posted are the reason why DPS meters are in fact a demerit.

[Assirra]

All I have to use is common sense


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Your common sense got actually proven wrong.
Preach (pretty famous wow youtuber) once did an experiment on how hard you need to fail to be actually called out. Its kinda scary how hard you can utterly fail till people bother to yell at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
This is coming from a game where dps meters are all over place so it should change into the thing you say right?

Now before you say that its another game, if i understand this community wow is the devil so you can't have a worse experience here then there right?

[Raenryong]

Curse + "not saying"progress.com. There's a lot of DPS meters being downloaded especially overall and monthly and I know for sure everyone downloading them aren't doing it because they are raiders or because they need it to improve but because it's a "requirement".

Requirement howso? Like performance is a requirement?

But then you go on to say

Rotations are something you memorize so that already kills the necessity of parsers.

If we completely ignore the flaws in this statement, what are the parsers then being "necessarily" downloaded for? If you have a rotation, you don't need a parser according to your logic. So what is the necessity that is driving people to download?

EDIT: To make a small elaboration simply to hammer home my point; if, extending your logic, rotations are something which can be worked our purely by memorisation with no influence of parsers or analytical methods whatsoever, then why would any player fear a parser? If you put in the time to learn a rotation, you would then in theory be fine on any content (unless dying a lot ... which means you're not fine, parser or no parser). So what scenario suddenly arises which may challenge this player?

There is no way of knowing if your rotation is optimal unless you do heavy parsing or full mathematical analysis. The former is far more readily available to most people than the latter. I prefer the latter, though parses are nice to confirm theory (as with all things, a theory is only good if it explains and can be used to predict physical evidence).

Furthermore, the only real objective way to assess how good you are at maintaining DPS in more stressful/varied situations is by parsing and checking your DPS at the end.

There's a way better tool for mechanics and that's called Deadly Boss Mods, something that isn't in FFXIV yet, yet that's a way better tool and one I'd try and promote over "dps meters". How many times has it been brought up in this thread to "help" people again? Rarely if not at all.

All the scenarios you posted are the reason why DPS meters are in fact a demerit.

Mechanics != raw output. They are two different things. You can dodge Titan EX like a pro, but if your raw DPS is lacking, it's not going to die. Boss Mods won't help with that in the slightest.

[Rankina]

All I have to use is common sense

That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. no. Proof or it didn't happen.

[Pooky_Pasha]

All I have to use is common sense

So you basically have nothing to argue with. Gotcha.

Rotations are something you memorize so that already kills the necessity of parsers.

How can common sense explain the huge dps disparity that does occur between two equally geared players of the same job, like DRG or BLM? (Hint: parsers can)

[rappa]

In a AK run, 2 blm joined us. Both blm casting fire III all time and using blizzard III too. Apparently, they though that rotation is the best, they see big numbers. What is the problem? The global damage was a crap and we wiped.

I tried to explain, that rotation is wrong and they may use fire I. My advice was ignored and we wiped again. Why may i waste my time with a person who don't wanna learn or improve theirs skills? I left the party and added to blacklist.

[Viridiana]

All I have to use is common sense

Hahahahaha. . .no.

[Logo]

All I have to use is common sense

Made up facts on based on personal feelings.
seems legit.

[ShinkuTachi]

Made up facts on based on personal feelings.
seems legit.

b-b-but....all these things happened to me personally, therefore it applies to everyone and every situation.