with this mindset the future looks dim

[Zeille]

did i say i beat ifrit without wipes? that's the point we wipe i learn rinse repeat i did wing it.

That entire post was talking about turn 5. Like I said before though about Ifrit, nobody should have a problem if you wing easy content.

[Musashidon]

That entire post was talking about turn 5. Like I said before though about Ifrit, nobody should have a problem if you wing easy content.

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

[Yurihyuga]

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

However I imagine you did that with friends/fc. No one has the right to tell you how to have fun as a full group the whole issue is solo players jumping on df knowing nothing and expecting other people to help you when you could have helped yourself on the most part.

Also only talking about endgame stuff as well.

[OPneedNerfs]

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

Just a few questions cause I'm curious.

Since we're talking about DF, I'm assuming you did this particular T5 using the DF.

Was the group totally made up of random 1/2 people queueing in the DF seperately or was there a 4-5 people group who queued together?

Did the whole group not know any of the mechanics beforehand?

If the answer to the prev question is no, did anyone give any instructions/tips prior to the encounter?

and last but not least,

Did you clear it with that group?

[Zeille]

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

Let me know when you win turn 5 using this technique of reinventing the wheel then. To most other people, who would like to clear it in a timely fashion, this is a huge waste of time.

[Eidolon]

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

Was every member of your team one who didn't watch a video / didn't read -any- guides about it? Didn't talk with anyone about it for a general strategy?

I only ask this because just one person spoils the philosophy. The moment that one person enters with knowledge, he shares it with others. You're not 'learning' at that point. The ones who truly learned T5 - are the ones who fought it before the World Firsts, because information was -so limited- and -so rare-