with this mindset the future looks dim

[Kerberon]

What ever happened to playing the game and discovering things for yourself?

I've never understood the mentality of joining a random PUG and expecting everyone to have spent hours memorizing fights and videos. For raids and end-game stuff, I can understand since you're usually playing with a set group, but for a random? Or even worse, in the leveling dungeons.

People constantly bitching at everyone else in the group for not studying Youtube videos was the main reason I walked away after hitting 50. I was hoping that people would have mellowed out over the last few months as I'm coming back, but it seems to have just gotten worse.

So in other words you want to be carried as you get killed from a mechanic you've experienced for the first time and the other people in the group have to beat the fight without you. The guy that goes into the fight like that is just as rude as the guy that screams obscenities when someone makes a mistake. Yeah learning something for the first time is fun but it should be in a group that has either all agreed to that first and are all new players, or left to single player games. You have other people with you that likely know the fight. You are just on the opposite side of the spectrum from the rager that insults everyone.

[rahvinus]

See, that's part of the problem. You seem to think that just because someone wants to play the game instead of watching Youtube videos of someone else playing the game, that they're just wanting the rest of group to carry them. That's a strange logic leap. Did it ever occur to you that people actually enjoy learning things for themselves? Did you not play games before Youtube and FAQs?

This is exactly why games are getting so dumbed down these days.

[Musashidon]

How did you know what to do for conflags and fireballs? Do you know how to handle Divebombs/Twisters/Dreadknight/Hatches? This information doesn't magically get absorbed by your brain through osmosis. If you don't know how to handle those things, I guarantee you will wipe your party.

Either someone told you what to do by typing out the strat (making someone else do the work you could have done yourself) in chat or you looked it up beforehand (research). Either way, that's not going in completely blind without knowing anything at all and winging it.

did i say i beat ifrit without wipes? that's the point we wipe i learn rinse repeat i did wing it.

[Ilitsa]

I didn't watch a guide at all in this game until Ultimate Ballad, I don't think it should be an automatic requirement though for people to go watch videos. Personally, I'd prefer to wipe 100 times, than spend 90 minutes with some jerk(s)

[Lucke]

I can only speak for myself, but if I go into a dungeon for the first time, (as tank) I ask 3 very basic questions:

"Are there adds? yes/no"
"Do I ignore adds?" yes/no"
"Is there an aoe attack to avoid? yes/no"

Everything else, I can adapt to pretty quickly, no matter what these mechanics are. I'll even watch what the other people are doing, learn from them in real time. I'll watch what the DPS and healers do so that later, I can queue as a DPS or healer and have an idea what I'm supposed to do.

For the raids, there are like what, 6 tanks? Noone said the newb has to main tank. For CT, I'll watch what the main tank does and take mental notes. For full party content with 2 tanks, I'll offer to off-tank so I can see what the main tank does. If everyone moves at once to another area of the arena, I think "Ok, they are moving for some reason, maybe there's a big AoE coming. Tanks are standing here, so I shouldn't follow everyone else".

I can adapt pretty quickly and efficiently, but I know some can't. Still though, there's a lot of hypocrisy here. People tell other people not to be lazy and watch a who knows how long video that may or may not even help, yet the people saying that are no less lazy for not teaching their comrades the basics of the fight. People have said it a lot better than I ever could.

Lookit that, never watched youtube *gasp*

[Yurihyuga]

this is how I am, if I'm told I'll forget, show me I'd still probably forget, but if I'm doing it I'll remember, like in CT the first time I was there, I was there the other tank wanted me to MT the atomos adds even tho he was in Soldiery gear while and I was in standard AF and maybe 1 or 2 pieces of DL gear.

Hate to say this but you got limited choices with that mentality find people that have patience/don't do endgame/pay for a carry/hit the unsubscribe button.
IF you even make it to T5 DF groups barely get passed divebombs if your lucky anyhow. Most don't even make it that far

Join a PF group you will most likely get replaced since you will won't even know conflag and fireball (which is phase 1) which means you won't even experience the mechanics of the fight so therefore never able to learn the fight.

You can't compare CT to turns 4 and 5. Mechanics are easily explained in CT but not in T4 and T5. So if your attention span is that limited no offence but your probably playing the wrong game as this is what the game is learning mechanics and memorizing.

Don't get me wrong though sometimes going in blind can be fun but only if your doing it with like minded people. Me and my fc did it when we beat T4 the 1st time and lol did we wipe but the difference was we were all in agreement if it weren't a full party wouldn't have done that as we respect other people.

[Zeille]

did i say i beat ifrit without wipes? that's the point we wipe i learn rinse repeat i did wing it.

That entire post was talking about turn 5. Like I said before though about Ifrit, nobody should have a problem if you wing easy content.

[Musashidon]

That entire post was talking about turn 5. Like I said before though about Ifrit, nobody should have a problem if you wing easy content.

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

[Yurihyuga]

that's my point we learned in t5 just like ifrit.

However I imagine you did that with friends/fc. No one has the right to tell you how to have fun as a full group the whole issue is solo players jumping on df knowing nothing and expecting other people to help you when you could have helped yourself on the most part.

Also only talking about endgame stuff as well.

[rahvinus]

This is the first MMO I've ever played that the majority of the players treat the game as a job. No one just kicks back and enjoys themselves here. Maybe it's the grind-centric playstyle of FF14, but I've never played an MMO before where end-game isn't done by guilds that have played together and become friends.

Between mandatory video game homework, people forcing their entire parties into speed runs, and people bitching when new players want to watch cutscenes, the general community in this game is pretty toxic.