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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    Ok have fun having mediocre dps. The science you speak about is some random post from last year with low gear and made by someone that din't really give any good info.
    The diference is even bigger in the new coil because either you have huge up times like t8, or you have small up times like t9 and you have to do all the damage you can before the boss jumps.

    Besides you are trying to tell people with real high end experience that know what they are doing how to play their job when you haven't even finished t6.
    Mind telling me how much DPS you do on turn 8 if you're doing it manual? I got 319 DPS at ilvl 96 with a Tidal Wave Bow and popping 2-3 mega-potions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiningMeow View Post
    Mind telling me how much DPS you do on turn 8 if you're doing it manual? I got 319 DPS at ilvl 96 with a Tidal Wave Bow and popping 2-3 mega-potions.
    Ermm i don't have the details atm, if you wait a bit maybe i can ask what was it this week on t8. I think it was 360+ but i don't really know.... That's popping one TP song and 1 Ballad. My item lv was 98 with the Rosenbogen. My gear is kinda bad, i have terrible luck with high allagan gear.... i only got 1 ring ><

    What i can tell you is that in the first half of the fight on t9 i get an average of 320+ That would be phase 1 and 2.


    @ Coconut
    If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
    You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
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    Last edited by Rose-Wild; 05-24-2014 at 12:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    Ermm i don't have the details atm, if you wait a bit maybe i can ask what was it this week on t8. I think it was 360+ but i don't really know.... That's popping one TP song and 1 Ballad. My item lv was 98 with the Rosenbogen. My gear is kinda bad, i have terrible luck with high allagan gear.... i only got 1 ring ><

    What i can tell you is that in the first half of the fight on t9 i get an average of 320+ That would be phase 1 and 2.


    @ Coconut
    If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
    You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
    TBH I parsed myself with my BL macro'ed to my Heavy shot and without the marco, no diff in DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    TBH I parsed myself with my BL macro'ed to my Heavy shot and without the marco, no diff in DPS.
    You must be doing it wrong, it's impossible to not find any diference because your attacks will come out first. Using the macro is like having a longer global cooldown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    You must be doing it wrong, it's impossible to not find any diference because your attacks will come out first. Using the macro is like having a longer global cooldown.
    So you must be always right? Seriously I have been using manual all the while until recently I tagged BL to Heavy Shot for convenience and nope, there isn't a difference.

    There might be a difference if you are tagging more than that, such as Heavy Shot-BL-Straighter Shot together but if it is just Heavy Shot (GCD) and BL (OGCD) together, it won't make a difference because whichever is available first will fire off first, such as BL will fire off first if Heavy Shot is still on CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    So you must be always right? Seriously I have been using manual all the while until recently I tagged BL to Heavy Shot for convenience and nope, there isn't a difference.

    There might be a difference if you are tagging more than that, such as Heavy Shot-BL-Straighter Shot together but if it is just Heavy Shot (GCD) and BL (OGCD) together, it won't make a difference because whichever is available first will fire off first, such as BL will fire off first if Heavy Shot is still on CD.
    You clearly know nothing about the GCD que system. You can't que attacks that are inside a macro. So every heavy shot, you are attacking late and hurting your uptime/dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
    Could. Operative word.

    If you're perfect, you could do more damage. Maybe you're the one BRD in 10 thousand who can play full manual and not "lose" DPS from missing a GCD, missing a BL, or whatever.

    i106 BRD with Rosen, doing 2-3 rounds of Foes and 1 full duration BV Ballad doing 375 DPS in T8. He uses 3-in-1. I suppose he sucks.

    Maybe you should try this the other way around; you're using the 3-in-1 wrong if it's giving you that much of a DPS loss.

    Edit: Also without Selene.
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    Last edited by SeraviEdalborez; 05-24-2014 at 03:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    @ Coconut
    If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
    You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
    I parsed myself before I even started using the macro ages ago, I didn't want to switch to something that would turn my output into garbage. There was no discernable difference in dps, with a lot less effort on my part. If people want to be stupid about it and use off gcd whilst gcd isn't ticking down then yes, probably you would see a difference. I'm not stupid though, so there is little to no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    You clearly know nothing about the GCD que system. You can't que attacks that are inside a macro. So every heavy shot, you are attacking late and hurting your uptime/dps.
    The 2 persons below you says otherwise too.
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    Last edited by Ooshima; 05-24-2014 at 07:38 PM.

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