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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
    Could. Operative word.

    If you're perfect, you could do more damage. Maybe you're the one BRD in 10 thousand who can play full manual and not "lose" DPS from missing a GCD, missing a BL, or whatever.

    i106 BRD with Rosen, doing 2-3 rounds of Foes and 1 full duration BV Ballad doing 375 DPS in T8. He uses 3-in-1. I suppose he sucks.

    Maybe you should try this the other way around; you're using the 3-in-1 wrong if it's giving you that much of a DPS loss.

    Edit: Also without Selene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    @ Coconut
    If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
    You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

    Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.
    I parsed myself before I even started using the macro ages ago, I didn't want to switch to something that would turn my output into garbage. There was no discernable difference in dps, with a lot less effort on my part. If people want to be stupid about it and use off gcd whilst gcd isn't ticking down then yes, probably you would see a difference. I'm not stupid though, so there is little to no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    You clearly know nothing about the GCD que system. You can't que attacks that are inside a macro. So every heavy shot, you are attacking late and hurting your uptime/dps.
    The 2 persons below you says otherwise too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    Ok have fun having mediocre dps. The science you speak about is some random post from last year with low gear and made by someone that din't really give any good info.
    The diference is even bigger in the new coil because either you have huge up times like t8, or you have small up times like t9 and you have to do all the damage you can before the boss jumps.

    Besides you are trying to tell people with real high end experience that know what they are doing how to play their job when you haven't even finished t6.
    I use the macro. I pull 340-350 in t8 @i96 brd depending on paeon requirements. In fact, I've never been out-parsed by another bard AND I use legacy controls. I don't consider this mediocre by any stretch so I don't really know how to respond to your comment!
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    straight shot, bloodletter, windbite, flaming arrow, venom, repelling shot, heavy shot, blunt arrow, heavy shot ( repeat heavy shot ) <---how I'd open up a boss fight, gets all your non-gcds on cooldown, all dots activated too.

    then: refresh dots, keep bloodletter, miseries end, shraighter shot procs, buffs, blunt arrow, flaming arrow, and repelling shot all on cooldown. ( unless needed for task, such as silencing )

    never cancel a gcd for a non gcd, far better to cast bloodletter/miserys end after that next straight/heavy shot/venom/windbite, than cancelling a skill ( wasting time/dps )

    Probably best to cast quelling strikes along with barrage, especially with a tank you don't know.

    Biggest flaw I see bards make is to not sing when they should, don't be one of those ><. If grouped with a monk/drg, don't forget paeon in AOE situations. If grouped with a blm/sum, don't forget foe. Be mindful of healers MP, don't make them ask you for ballad. Don't forget battle voice either, for the more intense moments.

    While blood for blood is a great dps boost and should be gotten by every bard, invigorate is absolutely essential. Imo, bards should just come with this skill....
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    The thing is that they can say w/e they want, the GCD que system is a fact, not an opinion. And the argument they are giving me is that people are terribad and slow and can't use BL when it resets. So instead of learning they should just only use the macro.
    The macro is ok for a new player, if you are in high end and you have been playing for a while you are just being lazy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    The thing is that they can say w/e they want, the GCD que system is a fact, not an opinion. And the argument they are giving me is that people are terribad and slow and can't use BL when it resets. So instead of learning they should just only use the macro.
    The macro is ok for a new player, if you are in high end and you have been playing for a while you are just being lazy about it.
    Well these players have achieved results and they personally tested and said no difference. Same goes to me. I believe in evidences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose-Wild View Post
    The thing is that they can say w/e they want, the GCD que system is a fact, not an opinion. And the argument they are giving me is that people are terribad and slow and can't use BL when it resets. So instead of learning they should just only use the macro.
    The macro is ok for a new player, if you are in high end and you have been playing for a while you are just being lazy about it.
    Never said this. Said merely that doing something > doing nothing. A lot of (bad) BRDs do nothing.
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    ITT: playstyle vs subjectivity vs I do more dps than you bragging rights.
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    Curiosity question for those who say macros kill dps; I have my four attacks like this:

    BLOODLETTER MACRO ICON:
    Heavy Shot
    Bloodletter
    Misery's End

    WINDBITE MACRO ICON:
    Windbite
    Bloodletter
    Misery's End

    VENOMOUS BITE MACRO ICON:
    Venomous Bite
    Bloodletter
    Misery's End

    STRAIGHT SHOT MACRO ICON:
    Straight Shot
    Bloodletter
    Misery's End

    The reason I personally thought to do them this way is because, let's say I have 3 ticks of Windbite left and ready to refresh it. BLM knocked a chunk of HP; mob having under 20% health. Since that happened a split second before I hit the Windbite macro, Misery's End fired just as I hit the button, and if he's not dead, I hit the macro again for the Windbite (or Bloodletter if it's up).

    I noticed that no matter what order I place Misery's End in, it always fired first. With this, is the why people say my BRD can't push past 185 dps (whatever that is) even though I'm putting dots on everything and getting the Bloodletter procs?
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