with this mindset the future looks dim

[Kolaina]

By this logic a ps3 player who has no pc or internet surf access is just screwed, which of course means they now have to also buy a pc etc., how long before you decide anyone without a masters degree in IT just not bother installing the game.

ps3 has youtube app. i know this, you know this, so does everyone else. argument invalid

[Lamentations]

ps3 has youtube app. i know this, you know this, so does everyone else. argument invalid

The argument is invalid if said ps3 player bothers to download the app, or even use it if they do, supposing the app is free in the first place.

I have you-tube all over my alienware, which is all over the place in video quality.

The fact remains is that before everyone decided you-tube was a requirement MMOs weren't broke and didn't need fixed, now players feel "entitled" to kick or ridicule anyone who doesn't use it.

Don't know why I would bother being interested in playing a fight I have already memorized on a video.

My girlfriend plays on her PS3 downstairs, never watches you-tube on a XIV fight, never gets any "entitled" garbage spouted from our FC, and does just fine.

No one calls her "invalid", you-tube research on this game being a courtesy to anyone is "invalid", or maybe I missed it in the TOS.

Oh and by the way, I have never owned a ps3 and did not "know" it had you-tube app. this part of your point is invalid because you didn't know that, didn't bother asking me, and made an assumption.

[Suniva]

My girlfriend plays on her PS3 downstairs, never watches you-tube on a XIV fight, never gets any "entitled" garbage spouted from our FC, and does just fine.

So she runs with the content with her own FC? FC members are willing to help one another in new content.
The problem is that you have individuals that REFUSE to watch a video, and then que for a DF, wanting an explanation for the fight, but refused to watch a video for in the first place because they do not want to "cheat" (Ummm, what?)
The other problem, is that you have another set of people saying that they pay for the game, and therefore they should be able to play the way they want to, and screw everyone else. There is no shortage of people in the game that you can play with that share your perspective (It is why we go out, make friends ingame, join FCs, etc to begin with). Why are these individuals so adamant about defending THEIR play style, but screwing everyone else? I am sorry, but no

[Lamentations]

So she runs with the content with her own FC? FC members are willing to help one another in new content.

She runs content with and without our FC, you assumed she doesn't run without them just because I didn't say it, fail.

I never used the word "cheat", direct misquote, fail.

People demanding players have you-tube foreknowledge of fights pay for the game, and think they should be able to play the way they want to, and screw everyone else, were even.

Why are you-tube "must" individuals so adamant about defending THEIR play style, but screwing everyone else?, yea sorry, but no.

[Kiokin]

She runs content with and without our FC, you assumed she doesn't run without them just because I didn't say it, fail.

I never used the word "cheat", direct misquote, fail.

People demanding players have you-tube foreknowledge of fights pay for the game, and think they should be able to play the way they want to, and screw everyone else, were even.

Why are you-tube "must" individuals so adamant about defending THEIR play style, but screwing everyone else?, yea sorry, but no.

Because their playstyle doesn't hurt the party.

[Kuwagami]

Because their playstyle doesn't hurt the party.

it does hurt whoever doesn't have the same playstyle as they do because of all the bashing/rage though. I think we can consider it "hurts the party", can't we ?

[Kiokin]

it does hurt whoever doesn't have the same playstyle as they do because of all the bashing/rage though. I think we can consider it "hurts the party", can't we ?

One person's feelings getting hurt because they get yelled at for wasting 7 other people's time, or 7 people's time getting wasted because one person decided to hold them back. Which do you think is worse?

[Lamentations]

Because their playstyle doesn't hurt the party.

This is nothing more than your personal opinion and preference on the topic.

Wanting people who have forehand knowledge of the fight/mechanics is fine, demanding it outside of PF isn't.

You have made it quite clear by now that your definition of hurting anyones playstyle or having your time wasted is the only right one, even though your just wrong.

MY gf saw a PF comment the other day that stated know the fight/ or kick, die once/kick, lag or connection issues/kick, these people will suit you, search them out.

These people aren't getting their time wasted, they "are" a waste of time, and air, they have no reason to breath good air, much less play an MMO.

People like this are lazy, self centered, obnoxious, and antisocial, the increasingly sad representation of a lot of "community" these days.

[JatohCynn]

People like this are lazy, self centered, obnoxious, and antisocial, the increasingly sad representation of a lot of "community" these days.

lulwut?

I watch vids so I know enough to not screw up the run for everyone else.
Expecting others to extend the same courtesy makes me "lazy, self centered, obnoxious, and antisocial"?

One would think those adjectives apply much more aptly to someone who expects others to educate them and/or refuse to learn how to not get the party wiped.

[Seiryuukishi]

These people talk about wasting time like they own it. You don't own time so get over yourselves. For as much as you bicker about it being wasted you could be doing something more constructive like, I don't know, enjoying the game. Damn shame people just absolutely MUST be negative because others won't do what they want them to.