with this mindset the future looks dim

[Marcusow86]

By this logic a ps3 player who has no pc or internet surf access is just screwed, which of course means they now have to also buy a pc etc., how long before you decide anyone without a masters degree in IT just not bother installing the game.

There is a will, there is away bro.

Your argument really sounds like, i don't give a damn what other 7 people are thinking and if i want to try failing my way through 90 min, everyone should be there to entertain me as well.

You might have all the time of the day to explore the fight, others in the other hand might not. Take me for an example, i have a job and when i return home, i have mere 2-3 hours of game time, queue in DF took 30 min (DPS), how many more hours do i have left to be wasted continuously wiping because one party member simply have no idea of the fight at all.

The time for you to look up a youtube video or find a guide might be quicker than 90 min and i believe if you could just give in your 10 min time to read/watch, the fight will go a lot smoother.

This is call taking personal responsibility to ensure comfortable and smoother playing ground for everyone. Everyone is responsible.

And don't tell me about youtube literacy. Anyone can make an effort to purchase and play this game, get his character to lvl50 AND THEN tell everyone he is not youtube literate is just BS-ing. At least give everyone a more convincing excuse to be lazy.

[IStolzI]

TC : you really don't see anything wrong with just waddling into what, up until recently was part of the hardest context I the game, and saying "ok so fill me in rq"?

That's just ridiculous, and the exact reason DF is a joke for anything "endgame."

[Lamentations]

ps3 has youtube app. i know this, you know this, so does everyone else. argument invalid

The argument is invalid if said ps3 player bothers to download the app, or even use it if they do, supposing the app is free in the first place.

I have you-tube all over my alienware, which is all over the place in video quality.

The fact remains is that before everyone decided you-tube was a requirement MMOs weren't broke and didn't need fixed, now players feel "entitled" to kick or ridicule anyone who doesn't use it.

Don't know why I would bother being interested in playing a fight I have already memorized on a video.

My girlfriend plays on her PS3 downstairs, never watches you-tube on a XIV fight, never gets any "entitled" garbage spouted from our FC, and does just fine.

No one calls her "invalid", you-tube research on this game being a courtesy to anyone is "invalid", or maybe I missed it in the TOS.

Oh and by the way, I have never owned a ps3 and did not "know" it had you-tube app. this part of your point is invalid because you didn't know that, didn't bother asking me, and made an assumption.

[Lamentations]

Lol lazy would more aptly be people who have all day to explore you-tube, "instead" of having work to return home from, or perhaps memorizing said fight on you-tube instead of putting in the work to learn it cold.

Lazy could also be seen as 7 people who don't want to teach anyone anything, and just tell them to go watch a video.

Oh and I also have a job, matter of fact I have two, i am a foreman of a detail crew, and i am a journeyman farrier, (horseshoer), id rather direct my ambition online to learning a fight swinging a weapon instead of watching someone else do it on a video to make it easier for me or anyone else.

There is more "will" applied to keying your roll and learning the fight the hard way, than pressing "play" and watching someone else do it.

That sounds rather lazy to me, and to respond to your later reply due to posting limits, I do not feel the need to spoon feed or babysit people who feel they need the game to be made easier for them by only playing with people who cant play XIV without forehand knowledge of mechanics through you-tube.

At 52 I find learning the fight winning or dieing a lot more "grown up" than doing everything the easy way.

By all means define concretely for me babysitting, spoon feeding, and growing up, ive done them all far more than you probably ever will.

[Aaron_T]

So your complaining that someone yelled at you for not looking up the fight?
Get out.

[Seif]

Tell me exactly just how does one "learn" by playing CT how the zombie dragon works?
Either you're the idiot that is slowing everyone down or you have pre-learned the mechanics.

There is literally no way to tell visually the cause and effect of the mechanics of the skeletons. Same goes for many other elements like spiny plume and stone pillars. Either you're taught how they work or you will not know.

Now I'm not saying this is your fault but the game does a fairly lousy job at visual communication with the more complicated mechanics.

[Suniva]

My girlfriend plays on her PS3 downstairs, never watches you-tube on a XIV fight, never gets any "entitled" garbage spouted from our FC, and does just fine.

So she runs with the content with her own FC? FC members are willing to help one another in new content.
The problem is that you have individuals that REFUSE to watch a video, and then que for a DF, wanting an explanation for the fight, but refused to watch a video for in the first place because they do not want to "cheat" (Ummm, what?)
The other problem, is that you have another set of people saying that they pay for the game, and therefore they should be able to play the way they want to, and screw everyone else. There is no shortage of people in the game that you can play with that share your perspective (It is why we go out, make friends ingame, join FCs, etc to begin with). Why are these individuals so adamant about defending THEIR play style, but screwing everyone else? I am sorry, but no

[Lamentations]

Tell me exactly just how does one "learn" by playing CT how the zombie dragon works?
Either you're the idiot that is slowing everyone down or you have pre-learned the mechanics.

There is literally no way to tell visually the cause and effect of the mechanics of the skeletons. Same goes for many other elements like spiny plume and stone pillars. Either you're taught how they work or you will not know.

Now I'm not saying this is your fault but the game does a fairly lousy job at visual communication with the more complicated mechanics.

Well if the game does a lousy job so will the video "of it".

People can watch video till they pass out, until people actually do the fight, they don't really know shit about it anyway.

Watching other people fight on you-tube isn't doing it.

[Lufir]

So where do the makers of these videos go to watch how to clear content?

[Kuwagami]

Tell me exactly just how does one "learn" by playing CT how the zombie dragon works?

Because noone ever understood how it worked and just repeated what hackers told them to do.

Seriously, both side can have arguments, well made or not. But some are just dull....