with this mindset the future looks dim

[Cspr_Answrth]

Common practice for me is to always watch a video before a fight... I like to know what to expect, and I like to not waste people's time. I will commonly join a "clear party" group having only watched the video and have minimal issues. I don't like to look like an asshat, and if I'm causing wipes, I'll always drop the party so not to waste more time.

Learn with the DF, don't bring apathy to the PF.

[KenzieLynch]

Coil is not Sastasha or Copperbell Mine, you just can't go in blind and expect to rollface the content somehow. You won't beat the encounter and you'll waste other people time and also piss them off. This is especially true for Tanks and T4, since both MT and OT play a major role in that encounter, so much that going blind will result always in a waste of time and no kill.

I agree. I stated my opinion earlier in the thread, but I forgot to mention that it is also a role dependant situation. If you choose to play a tank, then you have to accept a level of responsibility that comes with the role. A DPS or healer can, for the most part get along just fine without much prior knowledge (although it's still best to have some) but going in absolutely blind as a tank is just insulting. There is pretty much no other end result than wasting 7 peoples time, especially at coil level.

[abzoluut]

Lets not forget that creating an environment you like to play in, is your job and your job only.

That's why you can create an LS: inv people you like playing with or need the same content. Join a lvling FC, add friends. Use PF with search comment: going in blind, so if you are inexperienced but watched the video, do not say anything 'cause I could have watched it myself but Im against it. (Because whats the difference again when someone writes an essay in party chat about the fight?)

It just amazes me how people think it should widely be accepted that others have to teach them over and over again. We had to learn it too right? It's not like every single time people will go elite on you, thats just emphasizing your argument to make your opinion look stronger.

Now, when you join through DF, people should know by now: high risk of less experienced people. So I do understand where the OP is coming from. I for one would have made my own PF group.

[Tiggy]

Genuine question, why didn't you look it up?

This. These are considered tough fights with specific coordination required to beat them. Sure, that guy might have been a d-bag, but that doesn't excuse you from going into one of the toughest dungeons in the game without any prior knowledge and expecting one of the other players to painstakingly explain the fight to you via text. Do your homework in these dungeons. It saves everyone time.

[Garlyle]

Coil is not Sastasha or Copperbell Mine, you just can't go in blind and expect to rollface the content somehow. You won't beat the encounter and you'll waste other people time and also piss them off. This is especially true for Tanks and T4, since both MT and OT play a major role in that encounter, so much that going blind will result always in a waste of time and no kill.

I think this is pretty key. In Duty Finder, people generally won't get mad if you're jumping into Sastasha or Qarn or Ifrit HM or Brayflox HM or something for your first time, so long as you actually say, "hi, first time here". Hell, people will be glad to help you out - compared to the angry they will be when you muck it up because you missed some mechanic and didn't say anything.

However, that's them.

Coil and EX Primals, especially as you get further on in both of those? The levels of coordination, knowledge, and execution required is way above the rest. Going into a random party when you have 0 idea what's expected of you, and zero willingness to try to find out in advance, is painful at best to everyone else in your group because now the group is functionally starting from scratch.

If you want to do that super high tier content blind, make a Party Finder group, say you're learning. You'll get a group easy, and you won't be forcing people to watch you wipe 10 seconds in, over and over.

[Odett]

Did you mean, the first FC going into an encounter just released, will have to hack the SE code to know how it works before doing it?

They went blind because they had no other choice. FC's that completed the hardest content in the game are made of people who know how to squeeze everything out of their job. Most players in this game do not fall inside this category, and most groups that wipe will do so not from mechanics, but from now knowing how to play their Job to the fullest extent, whether it be tanks who cannot mitigate/hold enmity, healers who overheal, and DPS who don't have the slightest clue about their rotation (and get very mad when you point it out).

[Kusanagi7]

It's good to know that there are decent people who will take a few minutes to explain things to a first timer rather than use the watch a video solution.

[Bizniztyme]

I remember the days when people actually work together to figure out a fight as a group instead of watching you tube videos. Sad times, sad times.

[Tiggy]

It's good to know that there are decent people who will take a few minutes to explain things to a first timer rather than use the watch a video solution.

Despite the fact I would rather you watch the video I have explained the fight dozens of times to people regardless. It's exhausting, but I do it. I still find it very disappointing when people want me to do everything for them, and it's disappointing how many more wipes are required before we make progress. Yes, people won't learn everything from watching a video so some explanation for clarity is always required anyway, but it absolutely still saves time since it effects how many times we will wipe to silly mechanics that were easily explained away in the video. This allows my summary to be more productive and we don't wipe as much. Wasting the time of 7 other people because you're too lazy to do minimal levels of research is insulting to every person there. You care so little for their time.

[Iriadysa]

It's good to know that there are decent people who will take a few minutes to explain things to a first timer rather than use the watch a video solution.

Why spend "a few minutes to explain things" when you can address them to a video that does exactly the same thing?

This isn't a matter of wanting to experience the fight blind, this is a matter of wanting someone else to digest information for you; information you can find for yourself. This is the reason lmgtfy.com was created, basically.

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As for wanting to experience content blind, I can see the merit in that. It is, however, very inconsiderate of the person to force a group of strangers into this, as it pretty much will ensure a completely failed run and most likely these strangers that joined DF wanted at least a legitimate chance at beating it. Yet, it's anyone's right to play as they want.

I rarely DF these things anymore, but if I was to find a key class joining completely blind to a duty like Coil 4 or 5, I would likely just leave. There's a line where kindness becomes pampering.