Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[SDaemon]

You gear to make coils easier, instead of spending long times doing the fight it's shorter, that's obvious, but like someone points out, it doesn't matter if you are unable to understand the mechanics, and his point in Titan is valid, before 2.2 and people was full decked in i90, that din't change anything with people dying and failing at mechanics. Even with Echo buff, it doesn't fix anything. The game sadly lacks tank and spank mechanics on most fights.

Honestly this is the first MMO I have seen with people demanding to have the top gear not doing the top dungeon.

If anything older fights with Hp based transitions are more annoying with echo and better gear because phases can change at horrible times and pugs don't tend to throttle dps.

[OmniEx]

ilvl doesn't mean anything if you don't meet the accuracy requirement. I'm ilvl 96 sure as hell not gonna be doing T6 with 395 accuracy and 2 pieces that can increase my accuracy by a total of 29 isn't gonna magically make it better. This gear I'm building is just for dungeons and vanity and nothing else, now I can myth farm without having to care about the other dps spot pulling his/her weight.

So unless there's some magical formula that allows players to get ilvl100 with a reliable set of gear that gives them the proper distribution of gear you don't have a reliable set of gear you have pieces of loot scatters all over the place that give small boosts to your overall stats. Especially when that progression itself takes weeks upon weeks to achieve.

You were complaining that there weren't many options to gear before starting coils for a "reliable coil set" I provided you with one that got you to i99 with the required accuracy where you didn't ever need to step into coil for. Now you want to be able to get it in 2mins as well? You really do want everything handed out to you as well don't you?

[Gormogon]

Why does it matter if the best gear is Coil or not (based on the original post of this thread)? If the best gear isn't in Coil, then very few, if any, would be running Coil if the best gear isn't there.

To many having the best gear and challenging the end-game content means that it's no longer gear that's gonna be the reason that a group of people will be able to kill it but skill.

A lot of people still would but then again, you'll just try and justify yourself by trying to say it's not a challenge because there's no gear. Which if funny because there's people still doing old content that's not relevant anymore.

You were complaining that there weren't many options to gear before starting coils for a "reliable coil set" I provided you with one that got you to i99 with the required accuracy where you didn't ever need to step into coil for. Now you want to be able to get it in 2mins as well? You really do want everything handed out to you as well don't you?

Do you know what a "set" is?

The game sadly lacks tank and spank mechanics on most fights.

Honestly this is the first MMO I have seen with people demanding to have the top gear not doing the top dungeon.

No what this game lacks is slowly transitioning it's player base into understanding standard raid mechanics outside of tank n spank since tank n spank is usually what you do 90% of the time with most dungeon bosses in FFXIV besides some unique ones.

I've been in many MMO's that have a balanced gear progression that stems well outside of just raiding so that you can raid more reliably. Yet just like everyone else you seem to assume that I or anyone else is asking for the same equivalent ilvl gear from Coil.

I ain't asking for a ilvl110 set outside of Second Coil of Bahamut yet "gear sets" that help down bosses. Ilvl100 Gear with poison resist to ease turn 6's and balanced stats for raiding that don't force players out of their accuracy requirements and aren't lacking with their secondary stats either. Yet keep assuming I want ilvl100 gear with 1M of every stat so I can go into coil and 1HKO everything on sight.

[OmniEx]

^ Yes but apparently you don't

[Yukiko]

I am getting the feeling some of those pro-coil arguments are based on contentselling, it seems like "some" fear they no longer can sell coil runs...
I mean: Um... total blocking of arguments is not right, there must be something behind it... (its like talking to a wall)

Both sides have good arguments, but what i miss is a real discussion where you get the feeling of beeing heard.
Currently we just have "walls" talking trying to negate the others arguments...

[Gormogon]

^ Yes but apparently you don't

Allagan, AF2, and Weathered are 3 sets not 1. Yet I guess I'll go change my definition of 1 set to 3 sets equal 1 just to please you and only you.

I am getting the feeling some of those pro-coil arguments are based on contentselling

As a ex pro end game player, no. The average end game player doesn't care about content selling. Many of the elitists that are in end game thought have a sadistic superiority complex and god forbid you take their one pleasure in life that allows them to justify insulting other players.

[Dano]

I ain't asking for a ilvl110 set outside of Second Coil of Bahamut yet "gear sets" that help down bosses. Ilvl100 Gear with poison resist to ease turn 6's and balanced stats for raiding that don't force players out of their accuracy requirements and aren't lacking with their secondary stats either. Yet keep assuming I want ilvl100 gear with 1M of every stat so I can go into coil and 1HKO everything on sight.

There's no need for special gear sets, the content is balanced against the gears you can get now in the game, and there's the materia system for you to adjust your stats accordingly. There's no need for SE to be spending their time and create special gear sets for just one boss of a fight, it's a complete waste of resources and time. Additionally, secondary stats won't make or break your DPS/Mitigation/Healing in coil, it's good to have but its not neckbreak must-have. You sound like you aren't willing to put in the effort to learn the fight or use resources already available in the game.

[OmniEx]

Allagan, AF2, and Weathered are 3 sets not 1. Yet I guess I'll go change my definition of 1 set to 3 sets equal 1 just to please you and only you.

A gear set is any combination of gear that you can wear that fulfills whatever requirement you have. For example the PLD 2.1 BiS "gearset" included gear from Myth as well as Allagan to form one gear set. Just because gear doesn't share the same name doesn't mean it's not classified as a set when mixed and matched but please continue to spout more of your nonsense.

[Gormogon]

A gear set is any combination of gear that you can wear that fulfills whatever requirement you have. For example the PLD 2.1 BiS "gearset" included gear from Myth as well as Allagan to form one gear set. Just because gear doesn't share the same name doesn't mean it's not classified as a set when mixed and matched but please continue to spout more of your nonsense.

What ever you say, obviously your word is law.

[OmniEx]

What ever you say, obviously your word is law.

Now that we've settled that you can continue to complain about how coil is too unforgiving and uses too many "zero-tolerance mechanics". But hey if you don't like your end-game top tier content to be hard I hear Hello Kitty Adventure Island has a very forgiving endgame scene maybe you'll like to play that instead?